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RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Shams: Bulls looking to blow it up? Pacers and Theis to buyout? - surfpuckmd - 11-22-2023

(11-22-2023, 07:28 AM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: Name 5 teams where Powell would break the top 13.

You're underrating Powell severely.  He has his limitations but would be in the top-13 on most NBA teams.  He would be a current rotation player on at least the following:

Pelicans
Blazers
Raptors 
Spurs
Grizzlies
Wizards
Kings
Lakers
Pacers
Nets
Bucks
Nuggets

DP has always been a positive contributor in the advanced stats.  His production may not be impressive and his limitations are obvious.  I wish he would rebound better and provide some resistance at the rim.  Somehow though, he has managed to make a positive contribution for a long time on this team.  As Kidd adjusts lineups to provide more size next to Powell, he'll get less hate around here.  I do hope we'll obtain another backup center though for certain matchups.  Someone like Drummond or Bitadze.


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Bulls want multiple 1sts for Caruso?| PHI,LAL,MIA like Lavine? - surfpuckmd - 11-22-2023

(11-22-2023, 09:06 AM)omahen Wrote: Very much agree. What is the status of G.Harris? Is he injured? They really liked him last season but didn't see him play this one.

He's back and in the lineup playing behind Suggs currently.  He's a different player than he was with the Nuggets.  His defense has slipped a lot.  He's now a below-average defensive player.   He's a good 3-point shooter though.   THJ is overall a better player and would help that team.  They're playing really well and could use a vet like THJ in that locker room.  Mosely is doing a great job and is already very familiar with THJ.  I think we'd get a few 2nd-round picks in that trade.


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Bulls want multiple 1sts for Caruso?| PHI,LAL,MIA like Lavine? - omahen - 11-22-2023

In my opinion, small line-ups Mavs have coming of the bench is doing no-one any favors. Line-up numbers for all those guys probably look bad, as that group with four guards and small center can only rarely be successful. That is not Powell fault and I don't think any center (especially slow centers like Drummond) would have any more success. Our perimeter defense is leaky as it is and with extremely small PF and undersized center there is just no hope for any kind of decent defense.

Some of us warned Mavs have a surplus of guards that all could claim minutes on the bench, especially if they start DJJ. It is simply too many of them. Either they need to sit a couple and replace them with bench wings or they do a trade. The latter will not happen before TDL.


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Shams: Bulls looking to blow it up? Pacers and Theis to buyout? - Ghost of Podkolzin - 11-22-2023

(11-22-2023, 09:09 AM)surfpuckmd Wrote: You're underrating Powell severely.  He has his limitations but would be in the top-13 on most NBA teams.  He would be a current rotation player on at least the following:

Pelicans
Blazers
Raptors 
Spurs
Grizzlies
Wizards
Kings
Lakers
Pacers
Nets
Bucks
Nuggets

DP has always been a positive contributor in the advanced stats.  His production may not be impressive and his limitations are obvious.  I wish he would rebound better and provide some resistance at the rim.  Somehow though, he has managed to make a positive contribution for a long time on this team.  As Kidd adjusts lineups to provide more size next to Powell, he'll get less hate around here.  I do hope we'll obtain another backup center though for certain matchups.  Someone like Drummond or Bitadze.

NOLA...
12.  Zeller
13.  Marshall
14.  Alvarado
-all three are over Powell

POR...
-You're right

TOR...
12. Precious
13.  Flynn
14.  Koloko
-take them over Powell

SAS...
12.  Bassey
13.  Wesley
14.  Mamukelashvili
-take them over Powell

MEM...
12.  Roddy
13.  Konchar
14.  Aldama
-take them over Powell

WAS...
12.  Kispert
13.  Muscala
14.  Baldwin
-take them over Powell

So that's 6 of the 12 you listed, 6 of the 29 other rosters.  Without going through all of them, we're looking like only 17% of the rosters would Powell break into the top 13, roughly 5 teams.


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Bulls want multiple 1sts for Caruso?| PHI,LAL,MIA like Lavine? - RGP1981 - 11-23-2023

A change.org petition may be in order...

#SendDwightPowellBackToCanada!

Powell+? for Poeltl.


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Shams: Bulls looking to blow it up? Pacers and Theis to buyout? - Knutsen - 11-23-2023

(11-22-2023, 02:18 AM)Knutsen Wrote: Great thing is we won’t have to wait long to see them match up head-to-head since we‘ll play the Clippers on Saturday. It‘s not really fair because Theis has only spent a couple of days with his new team compared to a lot of years for Powell, but I‘ll still bet on him any day of the week, simply because he throws his whole body into the opponent and not just his pretty face like Dwight.

Update on the Theis-watch before we play the Clippers: 8 points (on bad shooting), 11 rebounds and 4 assists in a win against the Spurs.

Let‘s hope we won‘t see the matchup against Powell on Saturday, because that means Lively is good to go and Holmes keeps doing his thing.


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Bulls want multiple 1sts for Caruso?| PHI,LAL,MIA like Lavine? - SleepingHero - 11-24-2023

I know he kind of went insane before the season started... but my 3rd radical idea is what about Kai Jones?

Dude has ALL the tools we're looking for. He's a gigantic wing that can also play center. He's of the mold of Jarred Vanderbilt/Jonathan Isaac/Jaden McDaniels. His athleticism is off the charts.

Why the Hornets waived him just 2 years in probably scared every team in the league away because the last time a team cut loose on a relatively high 1st was Josh Primo. So the reasons must've been pretty good.

But he still has less than 3 years in the NBA and is eligible for a 2-way contract. I think this dude would be perfect amount of risk for 2-way. Bring him in for a month, see how crazy he actually is and if he works then the Mavs just solved their Maxi replacement big time. If he's still crazy? Cut him loose with no risk.



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RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Bulls want multiple 1sts for Caruso?| PHI,LAL,MIA like Lavine? - RGP1981 - 11-24-2023

(11-24-2023, 02:32 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: I know he kind of went insane before the season started... but my 3rd radical idea is what about Kai Jones?

Dude has ALL the tools we're looking for. He's a gigantic wing that can also play center. He's of the mold of Jarred Vanderbilt/Jonathan Isaac/Jaden McDaniels. His athleticism is off the charts.

Why the Hornets waived him just 2 years in probably scared every team in the league away because the last time a team cut loose on a relatively high 1st was Josh Primo. So the reasons must've been pretty good.

But he still has less than 3 years in the NBA and is eligible for a 2-way contract. I think this dude would be perfect amount of risk for 2-way. Bring him in for a month, see how crazy he actually is and if he works then the Mavs just solved their Maxi replacement big time. If he's still crazy? Cut him loose with no risk.


It seems a good idea. Low risk, potential high reward. Kai has exactly the kind of physical length, athleticism and mobility that you would want in the Power Forward who is next to Luka. The goal should be to get Kai to buy into becoming a 3&D forward, similar to Jaden McDaniels or Herbert Jones. If Kai can do this, it would be his pathway to getting paid, which I hope he realizes too. Defense will be his ticket.

I could also be talked into kicking the tires on the other guy you mentioned, Josh Primo. He could be developed into a good shooting guard option.


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Bulls want multiple 1sts for Caruso?| PHI,LAL,MIA like Lavine? - omahen - 11-24-2023

(11-24-2023, 06:44 AM)RGP1981 Wrote: It seems a good idea. Low risk, potential high reward. Kai has exactly the kind of physical length, athleticism and mobility

His problem is, he only has this and hasn't really developed anything else in past years. I am sure there are huge red flags all over him or he would be certainly picked by one of the tanking teams.


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Bulls want multiple 1sts for Caruso?| PHI,LAL,MIA like Lavine? - MarkAguirreWrathofGod - 11-24-2023

The Clippers picked up Primo.


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Bulls want multiple 1sts for Caruso?| PHI,LAL,MIA like Lavine? - RGP1981 - 11-24-2023

(11-24-2023, 06:56 AM)omahen Wrote: His problem is, he only has this and hasn't really developed anything else in past years. I am sure there are huge red flags all over him or he would be certainly picked by one of the tanking teams.

Yeah, agreed, huge red flags all over. Still though, if it costs nothing, I would take a chance and have him work with G-Will and Kleber to improve his defense, shooting and mentality. If he can buy into trying to become a high quality role-player at the PF spot, it might be worth it. Also, the small chance of upside here is better than having the Morris twin on the roster... where there is 0 upside.

(11-24-2023, 07:19 AM)MarkAguirreWrathofGod Wrote: The Clippers picked up Primo.

Hardy for Primo straight swap... who says no? Tongue


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Bulls want multiple 1sts for Caruso?| PHI,LAL,MIA like Lavine? - Ghost of Podkolzin - 11-24-2023

   

Luka  --Exum
Kyrie, Green   --Curry
T.Eason, DJJ  --OMax
GWill  --Maxi, Morris
Lively, Olynyk  --Holmes, Powell


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Bulls want multiple 1sts for Caruso?| PHI,LAL,MIA like Lavine? - surfpuckmd - 11-24-2023

(11-24-2023, 07:33 AM)RGP1981 Wrote: Yeah, agreed, huge red flags all over. Still though, if it costs nothing, I would take a chance and have him work with G-Will and Kleber to improve his defense, shooting and mentality. If he can buy into trying to become a high quality role-player at the PF spot, it might be worth it. Also, the small chance of upside here is better than having the Morris twin on the roster... where there is 0 upside.


Hardy for Primo straight swap... who says no? Tongue

The Mavericks team psychologist.


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Bulls want multiple 1sts for Caruso?| PHI,LAL,MIA like Lavine? - StrandedOnBeauboisHill - 11-24-2023

(11-24-2023, 01:58 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: Luka  --Exum
Kyrie, Green   --Curry
T.Eason, DJJ  --OMax
GWill  --Maxi, Morris
Lively, Olynyk  --Holmes, Powell

Why would Houston do this?


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Bulls want multiple 1sts for Caruso?| PHI,LAL,MIA like Lavine? - Chicagojk - 11-25-2023

I was listening to Bill Simmons podcast and they mentioned that Caruso may be worth 2 first round picks. Crazy. I guess though the thing about Caruso is his salary is low and I would guess almost every team would have an interest in him. So that probably ups the price. DeRozan and Lavine have smaller markets so they won't create a bidding war that Caruso would.

It is going to be really tough for the Mavs to outbid teams right now. There are teams that have better asset packages. So, I was wondering about some young guys who really haven't broken through. Would you have any interest in Patrick Williams (free agent this summer and was looking for big money) or DeAndre Hunter (signed a contract already). I saw the Hawks the other night and Hunter was not good. He looks the part though. big, athletic and has a nice shot (it just never goes in when I see him). I just wonder if there is a buy low opportunity with him.


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Bulls want multiple 1sts for Caruso?| PHI,LAL,MIA like Lavine? - omahen - 11-25-2023

(11-25-2023, 08:58 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: I was listening to Bill Simmons podcast and they mentioned that Caruso may be worth 2 first round picks.  Crazy.  I guess though the thing about Caruso is his salary is low and I would guess almost every team would have an interest in him.  So that probably ups the price.  DeRozan and Lavine have smaller markets so they won't create a bidding war that Caruso would. 

It is going to be really tough for the Mavs to outbid teams right now.  There are teams that have better asset packages.  So, I was wondering about some young guys who really haven't broken through.  Would you have any interest in Patrick Williams (free agent this summer and was looking for big money) or DeAndre Hunter (signed a contract already).  I saw the Hawks the other night and Hunter was not good.  He looks the part though.  big, athletic and has a nice shot (it just never goes in when I see him).    I just wonder if there is a buy low opportunity with him.

Patrick Williams is a huge question mark. Chicago trading him for cheap happens only if he is bad or expects unrealistic salary (probably in summer). Or both. I would prefer to go for a more surefire option. One right move and Mavs could become serious. Meh moves, Mavs will remain a class or two below serious contenders.

I think you described DeAndre Hunter very nicely. He looks the part but doesn't really have as much of an impact as one would expect. However, Atlanta is trying to compete, so I am not sure what would convince them to sell their starter to Mavs. I think their goals are more towards bringing in a "third" star next to Trae and Murray.


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Bulls want multiple 1sts for Caruso?| PHI,LAL,MIA like Lavine? - surfpuckmd - 11-26-2023

I think we can all agree that we need another big.  Preferably one who complements the rest of the roster.  Among players who might possibly be available, I think Zach Collins would be the most talented and the best fit.  He's 6'11 with a 7'1 wingspan.  He weight 250lbs. He's a solid defensive player which would make him at least our 2nd-best defensive big.  He can actually space the floor as well which would make him a good Maxi upgrade.  He shot .374 last season from 3 which is really good for a big.  The 3-point shooting is down this season but it's a very small sample size.  Unlike Vucevic or Gafford, I think he could play alongside Lively or Powell against bigger lineups.

The trade would be Maxi Kleber (or Richaun Holmes) plus Jaden Hardy in exchange for Zach Collins.  I hate to give up Jaden Hardy but he's just not getting an opportunity to play this year.  San Antonio would consider this deal as Hardy has the potential to be an excellent and efficient scorer with development.  They could use another shot creator on that roster.  The Spurs have announced their attention to tank this season by making Jeremy Sochan the starter this year.  Trading Collins for Hardy would likely be a tanking move now but with greater long-term potential.   

I think this trade would benefit both teams.  It also maintains our draft assets.


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Bulls want multiple 1sts for Caruso?| PHI,LAL,MIA like Lavine? - Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo - 11-26-2023

(11-25-2023, 08:58 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: So, I was wondering about some young guys who really haven't broken through.  Would you have any interest in Patrick Williams (free agent this summer and was looking for big money) 

There's a standing rumour that Patrick Williams wants big money. If that is the case, trading for him wouldn't be a good idea.
Patrick Williams is like Josh Green in a bigger body, he has the tools and considerable talent to be better than he currently is, but the thing is -- he doesn't seem to want it. Both JG and PW are team players who often let others shine, as they do the dirty work. Both are on the timid side. JG has the better motor though.


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Bulls want multiple 1sts for Caruso?| PHI,LAL,MIA like Lavine? - Mike lorenzo - 11-26-2023

The defense is a problem, but the rebounds are embarrassing, they bend us on the glass in every game... looking at statistics J.Collins is the second best offensive rebounder (not center) behind Ausuar averaging 2.9... surely a salary download (Holmes /Curry/Morris)+ one of Hardy/O-Max would do it.. by the way the 3 are throwing +40%


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Bulls want multiple 1sts for Caruso?| PHI,LAL,MIA like Lavine? - MarkAguirreWrathofGod - 11-26-2023

(11-26-2023, 10:00 AM)Mike lorenzo Wrote: The defense is a problem, but the rebounds are embarrassing, they bend us on the glass in every game... looking at statistics J.Collins is the second best offensive rebounder (not center) behind Ausuar averaging 2.9... surely a salary download (Holmes /Curry/Morris)+ one of Hardy/O-Max would do it.. by the way the 3 are throwing +40%

This being Ainge, I would assume it will take Hardy AND Omax or 2027. 
But Collins would help this team on the glass immensely and would be great here with Luka.