(10-31-2023, 02:24 PM)omahen Wrote: Yes. I don't think Grant and Siakam really fit together well next to Luka and Kyrie. But, Siakam is an upgrade over GW, I think. 

There is another target that could be more getable for our asset chest - Jerami Grant. Very likely he will be traded. He got a big contract, that will lower his market value. But that contract is still not such an obstacle to build around, still manageable. THJ+Holmes is approximately similar money, but Grant is a huge talent upgrade. Similar issue as with Siakam though - he overlaps a lot with GW. 

I just can't think of a realistic point of attack defender we could bring in to start. Someone that would be really decisively better than Green. Smart, White or Jrue would be ideal, but none of them will be available. Caruso is already more of a role player. I would like to have him, but I think Mavs need a bit bigger swing to really become a contender.

(10-31-2023, 03:07 PM)The Jom Wrote: Is Lauri Markkanen gettable? I’d rank him ahead of the Toronto guys. If Utah fears him walking, is there a trade to make? I know Ainge demands a king’s ransom. But the dude only has 2 years left to UFA status.

(10-31-2023, 02:15 PM)The Jom Wrote: Killer, isn’t it way, way too early to expend assets trying to fill the role you drafted Omax for? He’s not a typical late first rounder. They took on 24 mil just for the right to pay him another 3 per year. That’s a hefty investment.

(10-31-2023, 02:37 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: Love the idea of Jerami Grant here.

(10-31-2023, 04:27 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I think he’s a great fit here.  Unfortunately, Hardy won’t be valued there with what they have already.

One thing to bear in mind about OG is he’s a CAA guy and won’t extend at 140% of his current deal.  So, you give up assets and then CAA moves him somewhere else.  I like the player, but I’d make one of those ‘shave my head’ internet trades that he won’t be acquired by Dallas before the TDL.

(10-31-2023, 04:13 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Yeah, maybe. I even mentioned that POV. Would be on my mind in any serious consideration of OG. 

The question is: would accelerating the timetable result in a competitive team way sooner? Isn't OG basically a version of the player we're hoping O-Max can be? If the team is better than expected, and is knocking off maybe 50% of their Denver-like opponents, I can see the temptation to accelerate the timeline being real. I don't expect that to happen, but what if it does? Heck, maybe even including O-Max helps get the deal done. I'm just asking questions today.

(10-31-2023, 04:35 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Before I think of any bigger trade I want to see Luka/Kyrie play next to each other for at least half a season.

(10-31-2023, 04:27 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I think he’s a great fit here.  Unfortunately, Hardy won’t be valued there with what they have already.

One thing to bear in mind about OG is he’s a CAA guy and won’t extend at 140% of his current deal.  So, you give up assets and then CAA moves him somewhere else.  I like the player, but I’d make one of those ‘shave my head’ internet trades that he won’t be acquired by Dallas before the TDL.

(11-01-2023, 09:36 AM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: Grant is a below average rebounder and an average defender.  IMO, not a great fit here.

(11-01-2023, 09:47 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Defense (especially team defense) is a lot about yelling things out. Luka says GWill is leading the team talk on defense. That is enough for me to say his fit is really good on this team. I will say, Luka’s other quote about him being able to defend 1-5 seems off, 3-5, sure, 1 & 2 though? Maybe if those 2 are Luka and THJ in practice.

(11-01-2023, 09:55 AM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: After we signed G Williams, there was a hoop collective trivia question about the 6 or 7 (can't remember the exact number but it was low) players in the NBA who guarded all 5 possessions at least X amount of times (can't remember the qualifier either) last season and Grant was one of them.  I remember being very surprised that DFS was NOT one of those few players on the list honestly but it was basically guys like Draymond, Bam, Giannis and then...Grant Williams.

EDIT: just looked it up and it was 11 players who guarded all three player groups (guards, forwards, centers) for at least 750 possessions per second spectrum.

(11-01-2023, 10:35 AM)HAguiar95 Wrote: Is it too soon to give up on Hardy or O-Max? The way we've played, I think another plus defender or a backup ball handler would be fantastic here. So far:

Luka/X
Irving/Hardaway
Green/Y
Williams/Z
Lively/Powell

We don't have the ammo IMO to land a young starter (like Anunoby), so I'd settle for quality backups that can shoot 3's.

Possible X = Jones (WAS), Morris (DET), Melton (PHI).
Possible Y = O'Neale (BKN), Martin (CHA).
Possible Z = Covington (PHI), Batum (PHI), Williams (OKC).

With Hardy or O-Max + filler (Holmes/Kleber).

(11-01-2023, 10:46 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Hmmm, sounds to me like BOS, being a switch heavy team, has the opposing guards wanting to go at GWill as opposed to DWhite and company. I could be wrong, but I haven’t seen anything that would suggest he can guard quick players. I think he’s really good guarding bigger/slower ones though.

Edit: The list also doesn’t sound like it ranked the quality in which the players guarded those positions.

(10-31-2023, 03:07 PM)The Jom Wrote: Is Lauri Markkanen gettable? I’d rank him ahead of the Toronto guys. If Utah fears him walking, is there a trade to make? I know Ainge demands a king’s ransom. But the dude only has 2 years left to UFA status.

(10-31-2023, 02:24 PM)omahen Wrote: Yes. I don't think Grant and Siakam really fit together well next to Luka and Kyrie. But, Siakam is an upgrade over GW, I think. 

There is another target that could be more getable for our asset chest - Jerami Grant. Very likely he will be traded. He got a big contract, that will lower his market value. But that contract is still not such an obstacle to build around, still manageable. THJ+Holmes is approximately similar money, but Grant is a huge talent upgrade. Similar issue as with Siakam though - he overlaps a lot with GW. 

I just can't think of a realistic point of attack defender we could bring in to start. Someone that would be really decisively better than Green. Smart, White or Jrue would be ideal, but none of them will be available. Caruso is already more of a role player. I would like to have him, but I think Mavs need a bit bigger swing to really become a contender.

(11-01-2023, 10:35 AM)HAguiar95 Wrote: Is it too soon to give up on Hardy or O-Max? The way we've played, I think another plus defender or a backup ball handler would be fantastic here. So far:

Luka/X
Irving/Hardaway
Green/Y
Williams/Z
Lively/Powell

We don't have the ammo IMO to land a young starter (like Anunoby), so I'd settle for quality backups that can shoot 3's.

Possible X = Jones (WAS), Morris (DET), Melton (PHI).
Possible Y = O'Neale (BKN), Martin (CHA).
Possible Z = Covington (PHI), Batum (PHI), Williams (OKC).

With Hardy or O-Max + filler (Holmes/Kleber).