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RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Holiday traded to BOS| Dame to MIL - Ghost of Podkolzin - 10-17-2023
(10-17-2023, 12:11 PM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/38679542/sources-thunder-acquiring-kevin-porter-jr-waiving-him
Thunder trade Oladipo and Robinson-Earl for KP Jr
This pisses me off. Eason is like 4th in the SF/PF depth chart. Holmes for Eason/KPJ could have worked under the CBA without HOU giving up any draft capital.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24:HOU trades KPJ to OKC for 2 2nds and expirings - SleepingHero - 10-17-2023
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1714319366265712796
ESPN Sources: The Houston Rockets are trading G Kevin Porter Jr., and two future second-round picks to the Oklahoma City Thunder — who are waiving Porter Jr., immediately. Thunder are sending the Rockets Victor Oladipo and Jeremiah Robinson-Earl in the transaction.
The Thunder are acquiring a 2027 second via Minnesota and a 2028 second via Milwaukee in the deal, sources said. Porter Jr., is facing assault charges based on an incident with a girlfriend. OKC is essentially buying the two picks and releasing Porter Jr.
Bobby Marks:
Here’s the math on the OKC/Houston trade:
- OKC will incur a $15.86M cap hit this season and $1M in 2024-25 for Kevin Porter Jr.
- After the Porter Jr. waiver, OKC will have 13 guaranteed contracts and 3 players on partials
- OKC will create a $1.9M trade exception
- Victor Oladipo is on an expiring $9.45M contract and is recovering from knee surgery
- Jeremiah Robinson-Earl has a $1.9M guaranteed salary this year and a $2M team option next year
- If Oladipo is waived, Houston will have 13 guaranteed contracts and 2 partials
- Houston will create a $4.5M trade exception
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24:HOU trades KPJ to OKC for 2 2nds and expirings - HoosierDaddyKid - 10-17-2023
Thunder wheeling and dealing as usual...and Houston isn't going to be as bad as people think.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24:HOU trades KPJ to OKC for 2 2nds and expirings - KillerLeft - 10-17-2023
Interesting. Faced with having to cut down their roster somehow, OKC found a way to turn a slight profit in doing so.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24:HOU trades KPJ to OKC for 2 2nds and expirings - MarkAguirreWrathofGod - 10-17-2023
(10-17-2023, 01:00 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Interesting. Faced with having to cut down their roster somehow, OKC found a way to turn a slight profit in doing so.
Presti is the best in the business. If Cuban was smart he would have made a godfather offer to him. 15m (Masai money) would probably more than triple whatever OKC and their cheap owners are paying. But Cuban went the cheapie route with Nico who was probably thrilled to take 2-3M per year.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24:HOU trades KPJ to OKC for 2 2nds and expirings - KillerLeft - 10-17-2023
(10-17-2023, 03:07 PM)MarkAguirreWrathofGod Wrote: Presti is the best in the business. If Cuban was smart he would have made a godfather offer to him. 15m (Masai money) would probably more than triple whatever OKC and their cheap owners are paying. But Cuban went the cheapie route with Nico who was probably thrilled to take 2-3M per year.
I think Presti is pretty smart, and is doing his best to make chicken salad with that chicken s___ of a franchise, but...he had his hands on Durant, Westbrook and Harden and has nothing to show for it. He traded the wrong one. Later, when that became obvious, he even raised a stink, claiming their team hadn't had the full ramifications of the salary cap explained to them properly.
It's really easy to sell, sell, sell and draft, draft, draft. There have been many times when I wish the Mavs had adopted a strategy more like that. However, the only real star player they have was drafted by another team, not OKC, and my guess is they're too far away from actually being good to keep Shai around long term.
Phase two through like nine of any type of process similar to what OKC seems perpetually stuck in, it seems to me, should be actually harnessing the talent into a competitive team. That's the part I'm not sure he knows how to do.
In other words, maybe there's a reason he has no choice but to work in OKC. Maybe he's a small time dude who fits a small time franchise. (not meant as a defense of anyone who has ever called shots for the Mavs)
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24:HOU trades KPJ to OKC for 2 2nds and expirings - HoosierDaddyKid - 10-17-2023
(10-17-2023, 04:03 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I think Presti is pretty smart, and is doing his best to make chicken salad with that chicken s___ of a franchise, but...he had his hands on Durant, Westbrook and Harden and has nothing to show for it. He traded the wrong one. Later, when that became obvious, he even raised a stink, claiming their team hadn't had the full ramifications of the salary cap explained to them properly.
It's really easy to sell, sell, sell and draft, draft, draft. There have been many times when I wish the Mavs had adopted a strategy more like that. However, the only real star player they have was drafted by another team, not OKC, and my guess is they're too far away from actually being good to keep Shai around long term.
Phase two through like nine of any type of process similar to what OKC seems perpetually stuck in, it seems to me, should be actually harnessing the talent into a competitive team. That's the part I'm not sure he knows how to do.
In other words, maybe there's a reason he has no choice but to work in OKC. Maybe he's a small time dude who fits a small time franchise. (not meant as a defense of anyone who has ever called shots for the Mavs)
Those are pretty good points. Didn't look at it from that angle. Maybe he's trying to clone what Ainge did in Boston. Hoard picks so long until they eventually lose value and you still didn't get any hardware. Now Ainge is at it again in Utah.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24:HOU trades KPJ to OKC for 2 2nds and expirings - DanSchwartzgan - 10-17-2023
(10-17-2023, 04:03 PM)KillerLeft Wrote:
In other words, maybe there's a reason he has no choice but to work in OKC. Maybe he's a small time dude who fits a small time franchise. (not meant as a defense of anyone who has ever called shots for the Mavs)
I don't know. I have family who live a few doors down from his $10mm house in a really nice part of OKC. He tore down a house worth well over $1mm to build it. He seems to be pretty autonomous in his decision making. Not a bad gig if you ask me.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24:HOU trades KPJ to OKC for 2 2nds and expirings - KillerLeft - 10-17-2023
(10-17-2023, 05:15 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I don't know. I have family who live a few doors down from his $10mm house in a really nice part of OKC. He tore down a house worth well over $1mm to build it. He seems to be pretty autonomous in his decision making. Not a bad gig if you ask me.
Oh, it's a GREAT gig, compared to running a construction company or being superintendent of some small town school district or being a mail carrier or whatever.
But, come on...no offense to your family, but the man lives in Oklahoma. Idk, I'd want to run the Heat or the Knicks or the Clippers or something if I were he. Even the Mavericks would be a major step up if he could stand Cuban (big if).
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24:HOU trades KPJ to OKC for 2 2nds and expirings - omahen - 10-19-2023
Fantasy trades only, but valuations for Siakam and OG Anunoby are dropping. I think Toronto missed their chance to cash on one or both of them.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10093596-trade-ideas-for-every-nba-team-1-week-before-2023-24-season
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24:HOU trades KPJ to OKC for 2 2nds and expirings - DallasMaverick - 10-19-2023
(10-19-2023, 02:00 PM)omahen Wrote: Fantasy trades only, but valuations for Siakam and OG Anunoby are dropping. I think Toronto missed their chance to cash on one or both of them.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10093596-trade-ideas-for-every-nba-team-1-week-before-2023-24-season
So…
Would you do that deal? Josh Green, THJ, and the ‘27 FRP for OG?
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24:HOU trades KPJ to OKC for 2 2nds and expirings - KillerLeft - 10-19-2023
(10-19-2023, 02:19 PM)DallasMaverick Wrote: So…
Would you do that deal? Josh Green, THJ, and the ‘27 FRP for OG?
It's the first idea involving '27 I've read recently that I'd even consider.
His contractual status gives me a bit of pause, but if I had reasonable assurances that he wanted to be in Dallas long term and could see a way to lock him up without crippling the franchise, I'd be for it.
I do not believe Toronto would trade him for that package, however, since they likely turned down better ones this summer.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24:HOU trades KPJ to OKC for 2 2nds and expirings - omahen - 10-19-2023
(10-19-2023, 02:35 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: It's the first idea involving '27 I've read recently that I'd even consider.
His contractual status gives me a bit of pause, but if I had reasonable assurances that he wanted to be in Dallas long term and could see a way to lock him up without crippling the franchise, I'd be for it.
I do not believe Toronto would trade him for that package, however, since they likely turned down better ones this summer.
They will be faced with a very likely possibility he will walk in the summer. I don't think they can get more for him at this point.
As for the deal, I would do it immediately (assuming of course, he is willing to stay longterm). He is way better than Green on both ends of the floor. Basically exact prototype of player you wish to have next to Luka. As many guys like that as possible.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24:HOU trades KPJ to OKC for 2 2nds and expirings - Jym - 10-19-2023
Yeah I really like the OG fit
Keep the rookies off the table and I'd be fine throwing in whatever else we could to add to have a more competitive offer.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24:HOU trades KPJ to OKC for 2 2nds and expirings - surfpuckmd - 10-19-2023
Darius Bazley was cut by the Nets.
He would be a reasonable option as a small-ball 5 for the Mavericks. He can play the four as well. He's a proven above-average NBA defensive player who provides some rim protection. He's a very poor offensive player but did shoot 40 percent from 3 last season in limited attempts. I think he's more likely to help us win a few games than Markieff Morris.
Bazley has some controversial views on abortion and seems immature. Morris is a proven jackass so I don't see how we would lose anything on character by swapping the two.
I think it would be a slight upgrade so I hope Nico reads Realgm and takes the opportunity.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24:HOU trades KPJ to OKC for 2 2nds and expirings - HoosierDaddyKid - 10-19-2023
(10-19-2023, 06:33 PM)surfpuckmd Wrote: Darius Bazley was cut by the Nets.
He would be a reasonable option as a small-ball 5 for the Mavericks. He can play the four as well. He's a proven above-average NBA defensive player who provides some rim protection. He's a very poor offensive player but did shoot 40 percent from 3 last season in limited attempts. I think he's more likely to help us win a few games than Markieff Morris.
Bazley has some controversial views on abortion and seems immature. Morris is a proven jackass so I don't see how we would lose anything on character by swapping the two.
I think it would be a slight upgrade so I hope Nico reads Realgm and takes the opportunity.
He's meh...
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24:HOU trades KPJ to OKC for 2 2nds and expirings - SleepingHero - 10-19-2023
(10-19-2023, 02:35 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: It's the first idea involving '27 I've read recently that I'd even consider.
His contractual status gives me a bit of pause, but if I had reasonable assurances that he wanted to be in Dallas long term and could see a way to lock him up without crippling the franchise, I'd be for it.
I do not believe Toronto would trade him for that package, however, since they likely turned down better ones this summer.
I think we're kind of in lock step here. This trade for me is 100% worth the 2027 FRP. Even if OG wants a max contract, at this point the Mavs are in desperate need for a guy like him.
I also think Masai would hear the Mavs offer, die of laughter, and promptly hang up the phone. But one has to wonder how long he's going to dangle OG in the hopes of getting a superstar package that's never going to come.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24:HOU trades KPJ to OKC for 2 2nds and expirings - SleepingHero - 10-20-2023
https://twitter.com/FeelLikeDrew/status/1715086788862046708
So some minor story line going into the season. Jordan Poole dropped 41 on the Knicks the other day, during the game there was an eyebrow raising moment where Deni Avdija was calling for the ball open on the opposite side of the court, while Poole iso'd himself, dribbled it out, and scored. You can see Deni throw his hands up in frustration and sighs as he runs back on defense.
Now another clip surfaced of the two arguing to each other with some players trying to ignore and guys like Kuzma and Poole laughing off the argument. Perhaps Deni is ready and available, and if so, should he be a target for the bench?
Avdija is heading into restricted free agency. I don't think the Wizards are interested in that long term of a deal. This could be a prime buy low type of deal and perhaps a way to snag Gafford as the short term starting center this season.
Gafford+Avdija for Holmes+THJ+2 2nds. I don't think Gafford is worth a first. Neither is Avdija.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24:HOU trades KPJ to OKC for 2 2nds and expirings - F Gump - 10-20-2023
(10-19-2023, 02:19 PM)DallasMaverick Wrote: So…
Would you do that deal? Josh Green, THJ, and the ‘27 FRP for OG?
I would not.
That works if OG was locked up on a long-term deal. But he's a Bird Rights Trap player.
Both TOR and any team who might trade for him likely have to overpay him to keep him next summer, because he wants max money (starting ~43M, tot approx 200M) and is not that level of player. But extending him to avoid free agency is out of reach, because of rules limits (starting salary would be capped at about 26M).
Those issues might make him available - and might make him affordable - but only get you a one year rental. Then he walks (or you pay way more than you can fit into your hard cap, and way more than he's really worth as a player.) That offer is too much for a rental.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24:HOU trades KPJ to OKC for 2 2nds and expirings - omahen - 10-20-2023
Mavs will be in bird rights trap with every player. Mavs will probably have to "overpay" every player. The key is to gather the correct players. Mavs problem in all of Luka years has been that they are paying a large portion of the cap to players that are not a really great fit or simply greatly overpaid for their role. Even after they did some summer cleaning, they are still paying 18 mil to THJ, who doesn't really fit (or greatly overpaid for the bench role they see him in) and 12 mil to a what it looks like a third string center. Replace that with a 40 mil player, and Mavs still have a manageable salary cap.
There are not many players like OG around the league. An all NBA defender who is also good offensively. 38 % from three and can also do some things by himself. You can either (over)pay for such a guy or stick to poor men versions, that will never get you over the top. He is basically our version of JRue. Anunoby might wish for a max deal, but I am not sure he will actually get one. I think Jerami Grant deal (which everyone considers as a great overpay) is a good comparison for what he might get.
OG can be a legit third option on a contender and would push all the other players on the team in a role much more suitable based on their abilities. Mavs only weakness would remain the center position, where it remains to be seen if a Powell/Lively combo is good enough of a solution for next two years.
Mavs have almost a three year window where their salary cap is in a pretty decent shape, if they manage to replace THJ and Holmes (and Green extension) with a good player that actually fits. Most of the rotation players are under the contract in that window, only Curry and Exum will need to be replaced and Hardy extended. Shouldn't be a difficult task to do that. Several of them are on rookie deals or team friendly deals. I don't think any of the players on the roster has a surefire potential to become a number three option on a contender. Green might be closest to that, but many question marks if he can actually become that. Omax seems much further away.
Current situation around the league can show us that new cap rules didn't really prevent teams from spending even way over the second apron. While Clippers and GSW might be looking for a bit of a cost reduction, at least Boston, Phoenix, Milwaukee and Denver project to be under well over the first apron in next years, some even over the second apron. Teams seems to value the chance for a ring way over the penalties of specific aprons.