MavsBoard
Trade & FA 2023-24: Stein-Ingram Trade Inevitable| LAL Want Lebron Back On Any Terms - Printable Version

+- MavsBoard (https://www.mavsboard.com)
+-- Forum: Boards (https://www.mavsboard.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=1)
+--- Forum: Dallas Mavericks and the NBA (https://www.mavsboard.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=2)
+--- Thread: Trade & FA 2023-24: Stein-Ingram Trade Inevitable| LAL Want Lebron Back On Any Terms (/showthread.php?tid=2444)

Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360 361 362 363 364 365 366 367 368 369 370 371 372 373 374 375 376 377 378 379 380 381 382 383 384 385 386 387 388 389 390 391 392 393 394 395 396 397 398 399 400 401 402 403 404 405 406 407 408 409 410 411 412 413 414 415 416 417 418 419 420 421 422 423 424 425 426 427 428 429 430 431 432 433 434 435 436 437 438 439 440 441 442 443 444 445 446 447 448 449 450 451 452 453 454 455 456 457 458 459 460 461 462 463 464 465 466 467 468 469 470 471 472 473 474 475 476 477 478 479 480 481 482 483 484 485 486 487 488 489 490 491 492 493 494 495 496 497 498 499 500 501 502 503 504 505 506 507 508 509 510 511 512 513 514 515 516 517 518 519 520 521 522 523 524 525 526 527 528 529 530 531 532 533 534 535 536 537 538 539 540 541 542

RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Contract negotiations stalled, IND to find Hield Trade - StrandedOnBeauboisHill - 09-21-2023

Isn't Brogdon officially broken down? Celtics were originally going to trade him then couldn't because he couldn't pass a physical, no?

Not interested in a Hield for THJ swap unless it's something that can be expanded that includes Turner which I'm assuming isn't the case.

RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Contract negotiations stalled, IND to find Hield Trade - KillerLeft - 09-21-2023

(09-21-2023, 01:34 PM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: Hardy > Brogdon
OMax > Eason

Is there a singular poster on this board who has any conviction in our young players? Has any tape been watched?

I'm a huge believer in O-Max, and nowhere near ready to give up on Hardy (although it's understandable that they'd move him with Luka AND Kyrie on the team, imo).
(09-21-2023, 02:16 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: Not interested in a Hield for THJ swap unless it's something that can be expanded that includes Turner which I'm assuming isn't the case.

Well, sure...if Turner is the prize, count me in.

RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Wood signs 2yr/5.3mil deal w/LAL| D.Green back to PHI - IamDougieFresh - 09-21-2023

(09-08-2023, 02:17 AM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: This is my 9 man playoff rotation. More like end of season rotation. Luka and Kyrie's minutes will certainly be higher in the playoffs.

[Image: cYmiGmb.png]

[Image: 9HFEbW0.png]

It's really this simple. Send THJ anywhere and let's ride. 50+ wins.

RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Contract negotiations stalled, IND to find Hield Trade - WillE - 09-21-2023

(09-21-2023, 02:16 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: Not interested in a Hield for THJ swap unless it's something that can be expanded that includes Turner which I'm assuming isn't the case.
What about Theis?

Yes, I am biased as a german, but I'd love ti have him playing with us.

RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Contract negotiations stalled, IND to find Hield Trade - Chicagojk - 09-21-2023

Saw this on Reditt. Nba trade rumors are back!

Probably won’t happen but man Ayton is t more valuable than Ayton?

$$$&&&

Just now on Arizona Sports 98.7 out of Phoenix, John Gambodoro is hearing a Lillard trade to Miami is imminent within the next 24 hours, and he can’t rule out the possibility the Suns receive Nurkic and Portland gets Ayton. He says 4 different teams are in on Lillard, so it’s possible something else happens.

Gambo is a trusted Suns insider with a track record. Again, he’s not reporting it’s happening, he is just hearing rumblings.

RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Contract negotiations stalled, IND to find Hield Trade - StrandedOnBeauboisHill - 09-21-2023

(09-21-2023, 06:19 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: Saw this on Reditt.  Nba trade rumors are back!

Probably won’t happen but man Ayton is t more valuable than Ayton? 

$$$&&&

Just now on Arizona Sports 98.7 out of Phoenix, John Gambodoro is hearing a Lillard trade to Miami is imminent within the next 24 hours, and he can’t rule out the possibility the Suns receive Nurkic and Portland gets Ayton. He says 4 different teams are in on Lillard, so it’s possible something else happens.

Gambo is a trusted Suns insider with a track record. Again, he’s not reporting it’s happening, he is just hearing rumblings.

Wonder what else the suns would get in that situation other than financial relief. Say what you will about Ayton but that’s a step down.

Also just saw Shams list the Mavs, Bucks and 76ers of teams showing interest in Hield…

RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Contract negotiations stalled, IND to find Hield Trade - SleepingHero - 09-21-2023

(09-21-2023, 06:19 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: Saw this on Reditt.  Nba trade rumors are back!

Probably won’t happen but man Ayton is t more valuable than Ayton? 

$$$&&&

Just now on Arizona Sports 98.7 out of Phoenix, John Gambodoro is hearing a Lillard trade to Miami is imminent within the next 24 hours, and he can’t rule out the possibility the Suns receive Nurkic and Portland gets Ayton. He says 4 different teams are in on Lillard, so it’s possible something else happens.

Gambo is a trusted Suns insider with a track record. Again, he’s not reporting it’s happening, he is just hearing rumblings.


Gambo is a trusted source. If true I'm a bit heartbroken the Ayton dream is dead. This team is WCF with him.
(09-21-2023, 06:46 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: Wonder what else the suns would get in that situation other than financial relief. Say what you will about Ayton but that’s a step down.

Also just saw Shams list the Mavs, Bucks and 76ers of teams showing interest in Hield…

Just to add the source here:

https://streamable.com/t0mqxm


Quote:The Mavericks, 76ers and Bucks have all shown interest in Buddy Hield: "You look at teams like Dallas, Philly, Milwaukee. Those are the types of teams that could definitely use a shooter like Buddy Hield. They’ve had a level of interest in him over the last several months."

If thats the case, do you guys do a THJ+Holmes+Hardy for Buddy+Turner?

RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Contract negotiations stalled, IND to find Hield Trade - Chicagojk - 09-21-2023

(09-21-2023, 07:16 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Gambo is a trusted source. If true I'm a bit heartbroken the Ayton dream is dead. This team is WCF with him.

Just to add the source here:

https://streamable.com/t0mqxm



If thats the case, do you guys do a THJ+Holmes+Hardy for Buddy+Turner?

Bucks would be a good fit for Buddy imo.  Pretty substantial upgrade from Grayson Allen in big moments.  Not sure what the bucks have though to Interest Indiana.

Any Mavs interest I assume would be a three team trade, I would guess.  Wasn’t there some Toronto mavs and Indiana talk.  I don’t expect it to happen but I wouldn’t expect a two team trade if Dallas was involved.

RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: IND to find Hield Trade| Shams: DAL, PHI, MIL interested - KillerLeft - 09-21-2023

I don’t know why it would even dawn on IND to consider moving Turner to grease a Hield trade. Spoiler alert: it wouldn’t, so they won’t.

BUT…if there WAS a way to get Turner, I'd be all about it.

RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: IND to find Hield Trade| Shams: DAL, PHI, MIL interested - omahen - 09-22-2023

I really don't understand why Mavs would be interested. It only makes sense to trade THJ contract for a better suiting piece or save money. It makes even less sense to trade Holmes for "another THJ". Hield is not really a better suiting piece. Sure the offense would be atomic, but you can't win without defense, which will be non-existant with Luka-Kyrie-Hield trio and a weak center. Even if Hield would agree on a substantially lower value in an extension, I am not sure it makes sense for Mavs. On the other hand, it might be easier to flip expiring Hield for a center than THJ. But they better damn make that deal now, because the most likely alternative is that Hield walks in the summer or Mavs extend a not really fitting player for a multiyear deal, being again stuck with him, same way they are with THJ now.

A deal like Hield to Atlanta, Capela to Dallas and THJ to Indy could make sense for everyone involved.

RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Contract negotiations stalled, IND to find Hield Trade - omahen - 09-22-2023

(09-21-2023, 06:46 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: Wonder what else the suns would get in that situation other than financial relief. Say what you will about Ayton but that’s a step down.

I think Ayton-Nurkic deal does make some sense. Portland gets a young center to pair with their young guards. A solid foundation for a quick rebuild. 

Since this would be a part of Lillard deal, Phoenix doesn't necessarily need to get additional salary to make it happen. Of course it depends on other pieces involved and salary matching, but it is not necessary. So they could save a bunch of money and get some flexibility. In addition, I would think they get some draft compensation or young player from Miami. On the other hand, I do agree that Nurkic is a step down and their defense will be even more questionable. But, he will be a solid regular season piece.

RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Contract negotiations stalled, IND to find Hield Trade - DanSchwartzgan - 09-22-2023

(09-21-2023, 06:46 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: Wonder what else the suns would get in that situation other than financial relief. Say what you will about Ayton but that’s a step down.

I suspect if would be Nurkic and Caleb Martin to Phoenix.

RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: IND to find Hield Trade| Shams: DAL, PHI, MIL interested - omahen - 09-22-2023

A bit more information/rumors on the Ayton thing

https://gophnx.com/deandre-ayton-trade-rumors-phoenix-suns-dark-horse-damian-lillard/
Gambo saying Nurkic is not it

https://twitter.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1704993856834457960

RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: IND to find Hield Trade| Shams: DAL, PHI, MIL interested - omahen - 09-22-2023

Mavs interest in Hield might be months old. It makes sense they could have had discussion about him, when other things were possible, like moving THJ or getting the center. At this point, I don't see it.

https://twitter.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1704975382326227327

JamesConway912 - JamesConway912 - 09-22-2023

Hield would basically be as useful on this roster as THJ currently is. That being said he’s a) expiring and b) Imo a slightly better player than THJr so I’d be on board with a swap.

Re Ayton: 

1 He’d be a big help immediately with upside for more
2 If they’re talking about absorbing Nurkic we’re probably still in the mix. Nurkic‘s deal is pretty terrible by itself. 

I can’t say I’m overly enarmored with with either Hield / Ayton but if we’re talking about simple swaps without touching picks I’d be down for it. 

Hardaway + Holmes for Ayton would be something I could get behind or just Hield for Hardaway straight up.

JamesConway912 - JamesConway912 - 09-22-2023

https://x.com/gambo987/status/1705012408199368803?s=46&t=-bN4oD2OLU_Ue80HIM_CZQ

This looks like public negotiating via a local beat writer to me from the Suns. Apparently the Lillard-trade is gaining traction and now they’re suddenly interested in Nurkic who barely ever plays and makes a ton of money?

RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: IND to find Hield Trade| Shams: DAL, PHI, MIL interested - ItsGoTime - 09-22-2023

I look at that reporting and then think…and whatever the Mavs offered is “underwhelming” or “trash”?

RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: IND to find Hield Trade| Shams: DAL, PHI, MIL interested - Chicagojk - 09-22-2023

Ayton will always be a guy I am torn on. I could see him being a really elite #3 on a championship team in the future. On the other hand, I have read things that make me want nothing to do with him.

With that being said, if he wound up in Portland (with additional draft picks I would believe), I sort of like that for Portland. Ayton is a better fit than Nurkic, is younger and has years left on his contract. He would be a nice younger piece to see if you could grow with your young core. I am just unsure what PHX would want back. Nurkic appears like a pretty dramatic downgrade to me.

RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: IND to find Hield Trade| Shams: DAL, PHI, MIL interested - KillerLeft - 09-22-2023

The one and only way I might be interested in a THJ/Hield swap, from the Mavs' perspective, is that I believe the contract expiration date would move one year closer, meaning they'd have a useful expiring at THIS deadline, instead of next. Maybe that's of some interest to them? Or, maybe they're interested in simply renting him and then letting him expire and go elsewhere as a FA (like Wood) as a way of off-setting coming expenditures, such as a Green extension, without elevating the overall payroll? I don't particularly love that thought, but it makes sense to me.

What doesn't make sense is them deciding to re-up for another few years of a Hardaway type guy at an even higher price point, even if the 3pt% will be a little higher with the new one.

The thing is, if their interest (should it even exist) is in line with my thinking, they'd be offering rental trade offers comprised of junk. Hardaway is probably the nicest thing they'd put in that package. I'm not super high on Hield, but if I was running a team who I thought NEEDED a Hield/Hardaway type, I might peel off a bit more in an offer that reflected my desire to acquire and EXTEND Hield. That's the offer the Pacers want, I'd think.

RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: IND to find Hield Trade| Shams: DAL, PHI, MIL interested - Ghost of Podkolzin - 09-22-2023

MIN has an overload at C, especially with extending Naz. The KAT/Gobert experiment didn't work.

CLE can't progress with a frontcourt of J.Allen and Mobley. They need a stretch big, and Mobley isn't going anywhere.

What does everyone think about a deal where the main components would be KAT to CLE, J.Allen to DAL? Obvious for DAL in getting a young-ish allstar C. Obvious for CLE in having a 4-headed superteam of Garland/Mitchell/Mobley/KAT.

What compensation would MIN be looking for?