(09-14-2023, 04:11 AM)omahen Wrote: Although my opinion on THJ fit is known, I am not sure I would do that. The only way for Mavs to improve the roster is trade and you need matching salary. With McGee already waived, the only suitable salary left is THJ and Holmes. Perhaps also Kleber if he can't stay healthy and reasonably productive. With THJ salary gone, the only salary left would be Holmes one, which would considerably limit the possibility of the returning salary coming back in a trade.

(09-14-2023, 08:31 AM)omahen Wrote: Thinking more about this. KPj takers are likely only the tanking teams, and there are not many of them. Houston is looking for a serviceable vet who can contribute now, but they don't really need a center as they have Sengun and just gave a nice contract to Landale. THJ could make sense on that roster. Washington is the one team that will surely be bad next season. So how about:
Was: KPj, Houston asset
Hou: THJ
Dal: Gafford

Dallas would bring in a center that could be a good fit and is on a decent contract. Two years to enable Lively development and then expiring contract for a trade. They would also save money. On the other hand they would increase their logjam at center, probably eradicating Holmes minutes. Washington gets more assets for their rebuild.

(09-14-2023, 09:53 AM)DallasMaverick Wrote: Sometimes, when a player does something toxic and stupid, a team will just jettison them without any regard to value.

But sometimes, they realize they'd be selling at the lowest point, so they commit to rebuilding value before they yank the chain.  Miles Bridges, etc.

From the Mavs perspective, the trick is to find a seller who's selling emotionally, without regard to value.

(09-14-2023, 10:26 AM)omahen Wrote: Dallas is still in win as soon as possible mode. I doubt they would see value in trading THJ for a protected FRP (I don't think you can get more) for a player they would just waive. As I mentioned before, Mavs don't have many salaries left that could be used in a trade.

(09-14-2023, 10:26 AM)omahen Wrote: Media said Houston is exploring trades which bring them a vet ready to contribute now. They are not just looking to dump KPj. Even without the incident, he wasn't a great fit for them as he is not really a PG, a great shooter or defender. The incident just made it more necessary to trade him, as he is bringing all the crap too. On the other hand, I doubt there are many buyers willing to take that crap, since this is far from the first time the off court crap happened. I think no team will keep him and might be his time in the league is done. However, I wouldn't expect Houston to pay assets just to dump him. He is expiring (his last two years are not guaranteed) and I expect they will just waive him if they can't get something in return. They don't have any salary problems this season that would prevent them eating his salary hit. 

Dallas is still in win as soon as possible mode. I doubt they would see value in trading THJ for a protected FRP (I don't think you can get more) for a player they would just waive. As I mentioned before, Mavs don't have many salaries left that could be used in a trade.

(09-14-2023, 10:26 AM)omahen Wrote: Media said Houston is exploring trades which bring them a vet ready to contribute now. They are not just looking to dump KPj. Even without the incident, he wasn't a great fit for them as he is not really a PG, a great shooter or defender. The incident just made it more necessary to trade him, as he is bringing all the crap too. On the other hand, I doubt there are many buyers willing to take that crap, since this is far from the first time the off court crap happened. I think no team will keep him and might be his time in the league is done. However, I wouldn't expect Houston to pay assets just to dump him. He is expiring (his last two years are not guaranteed) and I expect they will just waive him if they can't get something in return. They don't have any salary problems this season that would prevent them eating his salary hit. 

Dallas is still in win as soon as possible mode. I doubt they would see value in trading THJ for a protected FRP (I don't think you can get more) for a player they would just waive. As I mentioned before, Mavs don't have many salaries left that could be used in a trade.

(09-15-2023, 08:17 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Bogdanovic becomes trade eligible for Atlanta tomorrow.  The Hawks/Raptors are reportedly at an impasse as they try to complete a Siakam for Hunter/Griffin/Salary-to-a-Third-Team deal.  The hold up is reportedly Toronto's desire for Bufkin.  

If Dallas were to take on Capela and Bogdanovic, Holmes/THJ/Hardy is a salary match.  You can swap Green for Hardy, but the excess salary makes it harder to keep Toronto under the tax.  I'm envisioning something like:

DAL:  THJ/Holmes/Hardy for Capela/Bogdanovic
TOR:  Siakam/Wilson for Holmes/Hunter/Griffin/Hardy
ATL:  Capela/Bogdanovic for Sikam/THJ/Wilson

Wilson is needed to keep Toronto under the tax.  Dallas goes over the tax and would need to add Morris to get to 14 players after this 3-for-2 deal.  They would sit just a bit under the first apron.  I'd envision Capela starting (obviously) and Bogdan as the sixth man (basically taking the minutes that would have gone to both THJ and Hardy).  He's not exactly an iron man which makes the Curry and Exum signings make more sense.  Moving on from THJ and Hardy also gives OMax a path to minutes.

https://clutchpoints.com/hawks-trade-talks-raptors-pascal-siakam?utm_source=tw&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=dunk&utm_id=dunk

(09-15-2023, 11:01 AM)mvossman Wrote: Bogdan is probably a better player than Tim and a better fit, but he is more injury prone (as you mention) and he has another year on his contract.  I'm guessing their market value is similar which means you are basically sending Hardy for Capela.  It seems like more of a win now than what they have done most of the offseason.  It would also mean sending out Nico's one win he has had prior to this offseason, which makes me skeptical they do it.  

I could live with this, but not sure if it would be my preference.  Would you want them to do it?  I think if Hardy turns into one of the better 6th men in the league soon, this is probably not a good trade for us.

(09-15-2023, 11:01 AM)mvossman Wrote: I could live with this, but not sure if it would be my preference.  Would you want them to do it?   

(09-15-2023, 11:29 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Yes.

I'm upgrading THJ into Bogdanovic and I'm upgrading Holmes into Capela and all it costs me is Hardy and some of Mark's money?  Yeah, I do that.  It makes us way better and we still have plenty of young players with upside between Green, Lively and OMax.

Capela/Lively 
GWill/Maxi
Green/OMax 
Luka/Bogdanovic
Irving/Exum

(09-15-2023, 11:29 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Yes.

I'm upgrading THJ into Bogdanovic and I'm upgrading Holmes into Capela and all it costs me is Hardy and some of Mark's money?  Yeah, I do that.  It makes us way better and we still have plenty of young players with upside between Green, Lively and OMax.

Capela/Lively 
GWill/Maxi
Green/OMax 
Luka/Bogdanovic
Irving/Exum

(09-15-2023, 11:35 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: Would you still do it if Green was the guy, not Hardy?

(09-15-2023, 11:35 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: Would you still do it if Green was the guy, not Hardy?

(09-15-2023, 11:56 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I love this pressure! In all honesty though, Green being in the trade really changes the dynamic and defensive identity of the team (that it looks like we're trying to build). Is Bogi then starting?

(09-15-2023, 12:54 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: 27FRP - The point is to make the Mavs markedly better in the 26-27 season so it's a backend  5 pick of the draft.  Capella will be the 15th man on someone's roster by then.