MavsBoard
Trade & FA 2023-24: Stein-Ingram Trade Inevitable| LAL Want Lebron Back On Any Terms - Printable Version

+- MavsBoard (https://www.mavsboard.com)
+-- Forum: Boards (https://www.mavsboard.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=1)
+--- Forum: Dallas Mavericks and the NBA (https://www.mavsboard.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=2)
+--- Thread: Trade & FA 2023-24: Stein-Ingram Trade Inevitable| LAL Want Lebron Back On Any Terms (/showthread.php?tid=2444)

Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360 361 362 363 364 365 366 367 368 369 370 371 372 373 374 375 376 377 378 379 380 381 382 383 384 385 386 387 388 389 390 391 392 393 394 395 396 397 398 399 400 401 402 403 404 405 406 407 408 409 410 411 412 413 414 415 416 417 418 419 420 421 422 423 424 425 426 427 428 429 430 431 432 433 434 435 436 437 438 439 440 441 442 443 444 445 446 447 448 449 450 451 452 453 454 455 456 457 458 459 460 461 462 463 464 465 466 467 468 469 470 471 472 473 474 475 476 477 478 479 480 481 482 483 484 485 486 487 488 489 490 491 492 493 494 495 496 497 498 499 500 501 502 503 504 505 506 507 508 509 510 511 512 513 514 515 516 517 518 519 520 521 522 523 524 525 526 527 528 529 530 531 532 533 534 535 536 537 538 539 540 541 542


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Mavs Sign DJJ to 1 year deal |Franky Smokes signs w/CHA - mvossman - 08-22-2023

They couldn't have just one clean offseason. They just had to finish up putting a bad taste in your mouth.


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Mavs Sign DJJ to 1 year deal |Franky Smokes signs w/CHA - KillerLeft - 08-22-2023

(08-22-2023, 03:28 PM)mvossman Wrote: They couldn't have just one clean offseason.  They just had to finish up putting a bad taste in your mouth.

I don't love this move, but it's just because I would've preferred a cleaner way of getting McGee's money off of the books. If they feel they must do this, there must be some type of decent reason.


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Mavs Sign DJJ to 1 year deal |Franky Smokes signs w/CHA - mvossman - 08-22-2023

(08-22-2023, 03:34 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I don't love this move, but it's just because I would've preferred a cleaner way of getting McGee's money off of the books. If they feel they must do this, there must be some type of decent reason.

I would rather they have him sit at home and then trade his expiring salary next year instead of eating it for the next 5 years.  But I am just as turned off by the Morris signing.  Its the 15th man so not something to get too upset about, but I see no value in that signing.  Its a waste of a roster spot.


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Mavs Sign DJJ to 1 year deal |Franky Smokes signs w/CHA - KillerLeft - 08-22-2023

(08-22-2023, 03:36 PM)mvossman Wrote: I would rather they have him sit at home and then trade his expiring salary next year instead of eating it for the next 5 years.  But I am just as turned off by the Morris signing.  Its the 15th man so not something to get too upset about, but I see no value in that signing.  Its a waste of a roster spot.

Idk, it IS another big who can shoot 3's. 

Agreed on the McGee point. Maybe they're just cutting him outright. That would be much smarter, imo.


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Mavs Sign DJJ to 1 year deal |Franky Smokes signs w/CHA - DanSchwartzgan - 08-22-2023

(08-22-2023, 02:37 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: OK, Wood is not officially gone until he signs elsewhere.  En Lieu of Morris, what can we offer Wood?

A ride to the airport!


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Mavs Sign DJJ to 1 year deal |Franky Smokes signs w/CHA - WillE - 08-22-2023

(08-22-2023, 02:59 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Not thrilled about him, specifically, but it's interesting that signs continue to support a versatile, switchable bigs approach. Morris, in theory, can do some of the same things as a 4/5 that Williams, Jones and O-Max can do. 

I definitely don't like the idea of Williams getting even one minute that could go to O-Max, and I hardly think his addition is worth the cap clogging decision to stretch waive McGee. In fact, despite being possibly the most vocal in my opposition of the McGee signing, originally, I feel like he might fill more of an occasional need here this season than Morris.
Even though I noticed that approach just like you, I hope if they really want to bring him in, than it's not for his on court contribution.

I mean, yes, he can stretch the floor and score a little bit d on the other end defend basically all bigs - but he's not really good at anything of that. Together with his age, I conclude that his calling card must be summarized as "culture".

Yet I hope it all won't play out this way as I'm not even convinced, that Morris is that good to justify such a trade.


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Mavs Sign DJJ to 1 year deal |Franky Smokes signs w/CHA - mvossman - 08-22-2023

(08-22-2023, 03:39 PM)WillE Wrote: Even though I noticed that approach just like you, I hope if they really want to bring him in, than it's not for his on court contribution.

I mean, yes, he can stretch the floor and score a little bit d on the other end defend basically all bigs - but he's not really good at anything of that. Together with his age, I conclude that his calling card must be summarized as "culture".

Yet I hope it all won't play out this way as I'm not even convinced, that Morris is that good to justify such a trade.

If we are signing a Morris twin for culture reasons, we are in a lot of trouble.


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Mavs Sign DJJ to 1 year deal |Franky Smokes signs w/CHA - WillE - 08-22-2023

(08-22-2023, 03:36 PM)mvossman Wrote: I would rather they have him sit at home and then trade his expiring salary next year instead of eating it for the next 5 years.
Is it allowed to not let a player under contract get in contact with the team?
So do we necessarily have to waive him or could we keep his contract for an eventual trade and "just" let him block that last roster spot?


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Mavs Sign DJJ to 1 year deal |Franky Smokes signs w/CHA - mvossman - 08-22-2023

(08-22-2023, 03:38 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Idk, it IS another big who can shoot 3's. 

Agreed on the McGee point. Maybe they're just cutting him outright. That would be much smarter, imo.

Morris couldn't get on the court when we were desperately thin at PF, and now we have added Williams/Omax/DJJ while he is a year older.  For a team with no bruising bigs and no established third PG, seems like there had to be better options.


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Mavs Sign DJJ to 1 year deal |Franky Smokes signs w/CHA - Jmaciscool - 08-22-2023

(08-22-2023, 03:39 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: A ride to the airport!

Come on, Wood deserves more than that.  At least throw in a "Learn Mandarin in 30 Days" book.


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Mavs Sign DJJ to 1 year deal |Franky Smokes signs w/CHA - KillerLeft - 08-22-2023

(08-22-2023, 03:49 PM)mvossman Wrote: Morris couldn't get on the court when we were desperately thin at PF, and now we have added Williams/Omax/DJJ while he is a year older.  For a team with no bruising bigs and no established third PG, seems like there had to be better options.

Well, it's surprising to me, too, but they apparently think he'll play more than McGee would have. I mean, unless McGee is the worst locker room presence of all-time one has to assume the desire to add Morris for some reason we can't immediately pinpoint has to have played some part in this decision. 

If nothing else, it's interesting. I wouldn't have predicted this with infinite chances to guess.


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Mavs Sign DJJ to 1 year deal |Franky Smokes signs w/CHA - mvossman - 08-22-2023

(08-22-2023, 03:46 PM)WillE Wrote: Is it allowed to not let a player under contract get in contact with the team?
So do we necessarily have to waive him or could we keep his contract for an eventual trade and "just" let him block that last roster spot?

Its a good question.  I'm not sure if you really can do that.  

Another random question, could Green extension involve getting him extra money this coming season?  It seems like India did something like that with Turner, but that might have been a different situation.  Maybe thats a reason for the stretch waive?  So they could add some to this year without hitting the tax line?


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Mavs Sign DJJ to 1 year deal |Franky Smokes signs w/CHA - KillerLeft - 08-22-2023

(08-22-2023, 03:53 PM)mvossman Wrote: Its a good question.  I'm not sure if you really can do that.  

Another random question, could Green extension involve getting him extra money this coming season?  It seems like India did something like that with Turner, but that might have been a different situation.  Maybe thats a reason for the stretch waive?  So they could add some to this year without hitting the tax line?

I don't think Green's impending extension is a likely reason, but figuring out what, if any, use they might have for the extra money the stretch waive would free up might be a decent thought direction. 

Is the Capela trade still alive, maybe?


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Mavs Sign DJJ to 1 year deal |Franky Smokes signs w/CHA - DanSchwartzgan - 08-22-2023

(08-22-2023, 03:39 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: A ride to the airport!


Stein says Morris is non-guaranteed.  So, his contract eats up space under the tax only for as long as he's on the roster.  With the S/W, Dallas is $5.48mm under the tax (minus whatever amount of that is used on Morris).


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Mavs Sign DJJ to 1 year deal |Franky Smokes signs w/CHA - mvossman - 08-22-2023

(08-22-2023, 03:58 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Stein says Morris is non-guaranteed.  So, his contract eats up space under the tax only for as long as he's on the roster.  With the S/W, Dallas is $5.48mm under the tax (minus whatever amount of that is used on Morris).  Spotrac also has DJJ as non-guaranteed at the minimum.

I just read that about Morris being non-guaranteed (which is good news) but I thought I read that DJJ is fully guaranteed?

Edit: everything I'm seeing says DJJ is fully guaranteed.


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Mavs Sign DJJ to 1 year deal |Franky Smokes signs w/CHA - DanSchwartzgan - 08-22-2023

(08-22-2023, 03:53 PM)mvossman Wrote: It seems like Indiana did something like that with Turner, but that might have been a different situation.  Maybe thats a reason for the stretch waive?  So they could add some to this year without hitting the tax line?

That was cap space, not space under the tax line.


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Mavs Sign DJJ to 1 year deal |Franky Smokes signs w/CHA - Jym - 08-22-2023

(08-22-2023, 03:53 PM)mvossman Wrote: Its a good question.  I'm not sure if you really can do that.  

Another random question, could Green extension involve getting him extra money this coming season?  It seems like India did something like that with Turner, but that might have been a different situation.  Maybe thats a reason for the stretch waive?  So they could add some to this year without hitting the tax line?

Indy could do that deal because they were actually under the cap by that amount
We're way above the cap


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Mavs Sign DJJ to 1 year deal |Franky Smokes signs w/CHA - DanSchwartzgan - 08-22-2023

(08-22-2023, 04:00 PM)mvossman Wrote: I just read that about Morris being non-guaranteed (which is good news) but I thought I read that DJJ is fully guaranteed?

Edit: everything I'm seeing says DJJ is fully guaranteed.

I'll edit the post.  When you hover over him on the team page on Spotrac, it says non-guaranteed.  But, on the DJJ page, it doesn't mention that.  I've slept since he signed, but I think you may be correct.


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Mavs Sign DJJ to 1 year deal |Franky Smokes signs w/CHA - mvossman - 08-22-2023

(08-22-2023, 04:00 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: That was cap space, not space under the tax line.

Makes sense.  So maybe they stretch him because they want him out now and they want to reduce the hit next year when they pay Green Extension.


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Mavs Sign DJJ to 1 year deal |Franky Smokes signs w/CHA - dirkfansince1998 - 08-22-2023

Rehab is a long and hard process. After years of geriatric veteran addiction a minor setback shouldn´t overshadow the positive development of the last few months.