(05-06-2023, 08:20 AM)omahen Wrote: I agree that #10 seems a lot for a player that is on a max contract and not playing near max level. How about if we split that #10 with another team for multiple picks? Utah for example has #16 (would go to Phoenix) and #28 (stays with Mavs). That would seem decent.

(05-06-2023, 11:46 PM)F Gump Wrote: I think Ayton does not give $32M worth of value. Year after year, he is NOT worth much in the playoffs.

(05-07-2023, 01:55 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: We just saw him get played off the court and he was upset about it. Whenever I watch him play, I see a big guy getting pushed around. In that sense, he’s Gobert. Can’t control the paint if you’re getting pushed around.

If we were to get him with a non-Kyrie/pick package, I’d be skeptical, but would keep an open mind until he shows what he’ll be here (maybe he needs a change in scenery, crazier things have happened).

(05-07-2023, 02:14 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Against the best big in the league and it was more about foul trouble. Looking at shooting percentages Ayton is holding Jokic nearly 10% below his season averages. Not sure if any other player in the league would do a better job. Towns and Gobert certainly didn´t and the T´Wolves doubled a lot. Suns are willing to give up the 1v1.

In the end it comes down to a fundamental roster building question. Is Ayton not worth it because he cannot keep up with Jokic and Embiid? If that is the case. Is there a single big in the league that would be worth more than MLE-type money?

Quote:Any of the “expendable” pieces could be dealt in the right deal. That means Okoro, the 22-year-old still-developing swingman who is beloved by teammates and members of the organization because of his ceaseless work ethic, team-first mentality and low-maintenance attitude. But the Cavs also don’t have as much time to wait for Okoro to develop. On his own, Okoro won’t bring back a significant haul. But what if he’s included in a bigger package with some future second-round picks and the appealing, team-friendly contracts of Cedi Osman and Ricky Rubio? Does that get them a wing upgrade? Does that help rebuild the erratic bench? If so, Okoro could be moved – and that wouldn’t be considered a “sweeping change,” something president of basketball operations Koby Altman said the team would avoid.

(05-06-2023, 11:46 PM)F Gump Wrote: The Mavs roster-building goal, with Luka and Kyrie, needs to be to identify players who can help, who ALSO can be cap efficient. Ayton, while he does some good things, is not that guy at all.

(05-07-2023, 03:18 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: I don't think any of those players exist currently with your added caveat of being cap efficient. 

Mavs are all in with the Kyrie trade. In fact, I'd give it 2 seasons. Maybe even 1. What other centers do you see available that satisfy both of those requirements AND can be had for the little assets the Mavs have left?

Further, how many of them are defacto better than Ayton?

Sure there are guys like Hartenstien, Gafford, Landale, heck even BBall Paul Reed. All of them I'd love to have on the Mavs. I don't think many of them are readily available though. And if the Mavs are going to overpay, I'd rather get a guy that has shown to be a proven starter on a team that went to the finals and were 2 games away from winning it all, vs. taking a swing at a boom/bust role player that we hope can be as good as Ayton while also being on a cheaper contract. 

Ayton has definite warts, but at this point the Mavs aren't in a position to be choosy with the doomsday clock they started when they made the Kyrie trade. 

Getting off of Bertans+McGee+Bullock will pay for Ayton's deal. At least 2 of those guys aren't producing much at all anyways so I view them as dead cap.

(05-07-2023, 03:08 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/2023/05/should-the-cavs-consider-signing-dillon-brooks-this-offseason-hey-chris.html

Okoro+Osman+2nds for THJ

Is that a bad trade?

(05-07-2023, 03:08 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/2023/05/should-the-cavs-consider-signing-dillon-brooks-this-offseason-hey-chris.html

Okoro+Osman+2nds for THJ

Is that a bad trade?

(05-07-2023, 05:29 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Serious Ayton talk.

The first two reasons I want him are not even skill-related. First of all, he´s age compatible, which I think is still so underrated. If you trade for a 24 year old, you don´t need to replace him in four years like a 34 year old. If you do, he still has re-trade value.

I believe there is a different level in Ayton that Luka can draw out through his skill set and their personal relationship. Ayton has been the scapegoat in Phoenix from day one and he´d be the saviour here.

Now comes the part of what to give up. 
 
I was going to suggest a trade down of Bertans/#10 for Curry/O´Neale/#21/#22,  

(05-07-2023, 07:59 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: If you swap down with Utah, keep 16 and give 28 to SA to take Bertans, then either Maxi or Reggie to Phoenix gets it done from a salary matching standpoint and saves Phoenix a ton or money.   

(05-07-2023, 11:34 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: I think it is important to consider PHX current spot on these trades (most have).  PHX is probably in a 3-4 year window (If KD can stay healthy and at his current level of play) and they are void with assets making internal improvement very difficult.  They also have a new owner who I am sure had grand plans.  So any move to trade Ayton needs to be a clear upgrade to them.  This will be difficult if Ayton does not play better, but I don't think new owner will be breaking out his spreadsheet with the goal of getting Howard Eisley.