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RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Mavs Sign DJJ to 1 year deal |Franky Smokes signs w/CHA - omahen - 08-14-2023 (08-14-2023, 04:43 AM)RGP1981 Wrote: Is there a way for the Mavericks to be the 3rd team in a James Harden trade to LAC? It would be nice for the Mavs FO to look for ways to get in on that since LAC and the 76ers have a few players who would fit good alongside Luka (or alongside Luka and Kyrie), such as... Norman Powell, De'Anthony Melton and Terance Mann. I find it very difficult. Both teams are looking to win now. Philly looking for star return for Harden or at least flexibility to get in a position to trade for a star in near future. So I think expiring salary only. Both Philly and Clippers will probably not want to add additional salary but rather look for savings. Based on this, I think Philly only trades Harden and wants expiring and picks back (looks like Clippers are not willing to offer a star like PG in return). Clippers have a bunch of expirings and can trade 2028 and 2030 FRP. Dallas could help with 2027 pick. But, is there anything on Clippers roster worth that pick? I like Zubac, but I don't think he is worth 2027 pick, unless something else is coming back. But what? None of the Clippers youngsters moves the needle for me. I don't know, best I could come up with. LAC: Holmes, McGee, 2027 (pick needed to get Harden) Dal: Zubac, RoCo Clippers do the trade only if they need the pick for Harden move, otherwise not. Mavs get a starting center on a very decent contract and useful wing on expiring deal while dumping two bad contracts. Everything considered, I don't think it is a very convincing deal for any side included. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Mavs Sign DJJ to 1 year deal |Franky Smokes signs w/CHA - Ghost of Podkolzin - 08-14-2023 (08-14-2023, 01:32 PM)omahen Wrote: I find it very difficult. Both teams are looking to win now. Philly looking for star return for Harden or at least flexibility to get in a position to trade for a star in near future. So I think expiring salary only. Both Philly and Clippers will probably not want to add additional salary but rather look for savings. Based on this, I think Philly only trades Harden and wants expiring and picks back (looks like Clippers are not willing to offer a star like PG in return). Zubac would be perfect. 2yrs at a bargain $11m... TDL 2025, hopefully Lively is ready. You have a 28yo expiring Zubac, making it easy to trade him for that spent FRP. Roco is declining, but is still a stopper. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Mavs Sign DJJ to 1 year deal |Franky Smokes signs w/CHA - mvossman - 08-14-2023 (08-14-2023, 01:23 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: Josh Green shot 40% on 2.8 attempts a game and Dort shot 33% at twice as many attempts (5.5). I believe that trade involved sending out an unprotected 27. The idea being that Capela/Dort is significantly better than Holmes/Green. It also puts us in a better long term cap position by getting off Timmy contract and having a long term contract in place for Dort. I can see the appeal of this trade, but I think I prefer the wait and see approach. I get the hope that Dort's efficiency will improve playing with Luka/Kyrie but he really doesn't shoot much better when wide open. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Mavs Sign DJJ to 1 year deal |Franky Smokes signs w/CHA - StrandedOnBeauboisHill - 08-14-2023 (08-14-2023, 02:44 PM)mvossman Wrote: I believe that trade involved sending out an unprotected 27. The idea being that Capela/Dort is significantly better than Holmes/Green. It also puts us in a better long term cap position by getting off Timmy contract and having a long term contract in place for Dort. I can see the appeal of this trade, but I think I prefer the wait and see approach. I get the hope that Dort's efficiency will improve playing with Luka/Kyrie but he really doesn't shoot much better when wide open. Ya if the deal is Green + 27 then I'm not interested. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Mavs Sign DJJ to 1 year deal |Franky Smokes signs w/CHA - ItsGoTime - 08-14-2023 (08-13-2023, 03:08 PM)omahen Wrote: Totally agree on McGee. I doubt they will be paying someone to take his contract. After that, it is what you said.That is basically 2 separate trades. Holmes and Green for Capela. My trade swapped Green with McGee and added the 27, so honestly I don’t see much of a difference between mine and this, I’d rather have Green than the 27, looks like you’d rather the opposite. Then THJ and 27 for Dort. I like Dort, he’s basically Smart in a smaller market. This is a pretty decent trade too, especially considering, as a whole, the trade is a pressure release valve for the SG/SF spot minutes (2 for 1). I’d prefer to figure out a way to add McGee in the trade, but since I’m fine with my trade, I’m fine with this too. Defense for offense is always good with a team who has been mostly offense for so long. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Mavs Sign DJJ to 1 year deal |Franky Smokes signs w/CHA - Ghost of Podkolzin - 08-14-2023 Are we still talking about Capella? Dude is on the serious decline and can't defend in space. At this point he's an immobile dinosaur. Want to see how well he'll play with G.Williams? See his time with J.Collins... not good. I still like Z.Collins. He could be had for a lot cheaper in assets than J.Allen and is versatile as a F-C. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Mavs Sign DJJ to 1 year deal |Franky Smokes signs w/CHA - RGP1981 - 08-14-2023 (08-14-2023, 01:32 PM)omahen Wrote: I find it very difficult. Both teams are looking to win now. Philly looking for star return for Harden or at least flexibility to get in a position to trade for a star in near future. So I think expiring salary only. Both Philly and Clippers will probably not want to add additional salary but rather look for savings. Based on this, I think Philly only trades Harden and wants expiring and picks back (looks like Clippers are not willing to offer a star like PG in return). Hmm, it would be nice to get Terance Mann instead of RoCo, even though I am not a fan of Zubac's fit with Luka/Kyrie (as Zubac is not mobile enough). Mann would fit nicely next to Luka/Kyrie as he is a good defensive player. Kyrie, Mann/Green, Luka, G-Will, Zubac Kyrie, Mann/Green, Luka, DJJ/O-Max, Kleber RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Mavs Sign DJJ to 1 year deal |Franky Smokes signs w/CHA - KillerLeft - 08-15-2023 (08-14-2023, 01:19 PM)DallasMaverick Wrote: I love how he never forces a shot. But I’d like him to take a few more contested shots as he gains confidence that they’ll actually go in. I’d settle for letting it fly 100% of the time he’s open. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Mavs Sign DJJ to 1 year deal |Franky Smokes signs w/CHA - Ghost of Podkolzin - 08-15-2023 (08-15-2023, 12:18 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I’d settle for letting it fly 100% of the time he’s open. Yup. J.Green has to increase his attempts. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Mavs Sign DJJ to 1 year deal |Franky Smokes signs w/CHA - Jym - 08-15-2023 (08-15-2023, 12:18 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I’d settle for letting it fly 100% of the time he’s open. would do wonders for the team if he can get up to 14 or 15 ppg. All the rotations and everything would make so much more sense and Kidd won't be tempted to play THJ over him RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Mavs Sign DJJ to 1 year deal |Franky Smokes signs w/CHA - mvossman - 08-15-2023 (08-15-2023, 02:24 PM)Jym Wrote: would do wonders for the team if he can get up to 14 or 15 ppg. The good news is his 3 point attempts have been on a steady incline year to year, although at the expense of 2 point shots. Hopefully that trend continues. Now for the bad news, our new starting power forward takes less shots per 36 than Green does, and only 1 more 3 pointer. He is going to need to be more aggressive as well, although he may have move opportunities playing with Luka than he did in the past. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Mavs Sign DJJ to 1 year deal |Franky Smokes signs w/CHA - mvossman - 08-15-2023 (08-14-2023, 05:50 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: That is basically 2 separate trades. Dort is not really Smart. He is not that level defensively, and he is not a playmaker on offense. He is a good defender and a chucker on offense. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Mavs Sign DJJ to 1 year deal |Franky Smokes signs w/CHA - KillerLeft - 08-15-2023 (08-15-2023, 03:25 PM)mvossman Wrote: The good news is his 3 point attempts have been on a steady incline year to year, although at the expense of 2 point shots. Hopefully that trend continues. I don't want to dismiss any Williams concerns out of hand because we haven't even seen him play here yet, but I just keep coming back to the idea that his last team's TWO best players were both forwards. I think it's a huge testament to his talent that he even found a way onto the national fan radar, really. Won't know 'til we know, but I think he's about as ideal of a fit with Luka as possible, especially for the MLE price range. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Mavs Sign DJJ to 1 year deal |Franky Smokes signs w/CHA - Ghost of Podkolzin - 08-15-2023 If J.Green increases to 30mins/game his points would improve to 10.5. If he played 30mins/game and took 10 FGA instead of 6.4, his points would improve to 16.4. That seems very achievable and exactly what we need. If he progresses that much, IMO he's close to untouchable. This could be achieved by taking minutes and shots away from THJ. Swap THJ's 30mins and 11.9fga. That'd put J.Green's points to 19.5. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Mavs Sign DJJ to 1 year deal |Franky Smokes signs w/CHA - StrandedOnBeauboisHill - 08-15-2023 (08-15-2023, 04:06 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: If J.Green increases to 30mins/game his points would improve to 10.5. If he played 30mins/game and took 10 FGA instead of 6.4, his points would improve to 16.4. That seems very achievable and exactly what we need. If he progresses that much, IMO he's close to untouchable. If you treat all nba stats as if they are linear trends, you're going to have a bad time. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Mavs Sign DJJ to 1 year deal |Franky Smokes signs w/CHA - Ghost of Podkolzin - 08-15-2023 (08-15-2023, 05:31 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: If you treat all nba stats as if they are linear trends, you're going to have a bad time. Great, so drop his %s to DAL average 57% 2ptr and league average 37% 3ptr, you're at 18pts. My apologies for being being a point off. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Mavs Sign DJJ to 1 year deal |Franky Smokes signs w/CHA - MFFL - 08-15-2023 PJ is trolling Mavs fans https://twitter.com/nolanc_45/status/1691589605009616997/photo/1 RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Mavs Sign DJJ to 1 year deal |Franky Smokes signs w/CHA - Scott41theMavs - 08-15-2023 (08-15-2023, 07:22 PM)MFFL Wrote: PJ is trolling Mavs fans I saw that crap and it got my hopes up. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Mavs Sign DJJ to 1 year deal |Franky Smokes signs w/CHA - Ghost of Podkolzin - 08-16-2023 C.Wood is a better flex F-C than P.Washington. Washington is a below average defender, chucks from distance, and terrible rebounder. Does anyone think we could start P.Washington with G.Williams? I don't. If we're going to go after a flex F-C who could start at C for us now and be in the C/F rotation in the future, the best candidate is Z.Collins. It just depends on what SAS does with Wimby. With their roster I would imagine Pops is going with the French frontcourt of Wimby/Sochan. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Mavs Sign DJJ to 1 year deal |Franky Smokes signs w/CHA - mvossman - 08-16-2023 (08-16-2023, 11:18 AM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: C.Wood is a better flex F-C than P.Washington. Washington is a below average defender, chucks from distance, and terrible rebounder. Does anyone think we could start P.Washington with G.Williams? I don't. In what universe is PJ Washington a below average defender? There are reasonable fit concerns, but lack of defense isn't one of them. There are clearly issues with Wood beyond his production on the court, so I don't know why he keeps being brought up. That ship has sailed. |