(08-01-2023, 04:14 PM)MFFL Wrote: Mavs receive: James Harden. Sixers receive: DeMar DeRozan, 2025 second-round pick (TOR via DAL), 2028 second-round pick (MIA via DAL). Bulls receive: Christian Wood (sign-and-trade), Tim Hardaway Jr., 2027 first-round pick (DAL).

Dalton Trigg's thoughts
https://www.si.com/nba/mavericks/news/dallas-mavs-trade-james-harden-3-team-deal-philadelphia-76ers-chicago-bulls-pipe-dream

Original article
https://fadeawayworld.net/the-three-team-blockbuster-trade-idea-james-harden-to-mavericks-demar-derozan-to-76ers

(08-01-2023, 04:14 PM)MFFL Wrote: Mavs receive: James Harden. Sixers receive: DeMar DeRozan, 2025 second-round pick (TOR via DAL), 2028 second-round pick (MIA via DAL). Bulls receive: Christian Wood (sign-and-trade), Tim Hardaway Jr., 2027 first-round pick (DAL).

Dalton Trigg's thoughts
https://www.si.com/nba/mavericks/news/dallas-mavs-trade-james-harden-3-team-deal-philadelphia-76ers-chicago-bulls-pipe-dream

Original article
https://fadeawayworld.net/the-three-team-blockbuster-trade-idea-james-harden-to-mavericks-demar-derozan-to-76ers

(08-01-2023, 04:14 PM)MFFL Wrote: Mavs receive: James Harden. Sixers receive: DeMar DeRozan, 2025 second-round pick (TOR via DAL), 2028 second-round pick (MIA via DAL). Bulls receive: Christian Wood (sign-and-trade), Tim Hardaway Jr., 2027 first-round pick (DAL).

(08-01-2023, 11:30 PM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: How do you feel this trade is balanced gentlemen?

THJ and McGee for Isaac and Houstan

The way I see it, the Magic need shooting and I need to get rid of Tim and McShaqtin. 90%+ chance Isaac is cooked, but he will be a very useful non guaranteed contract to trade.

(08-01-2023, 11:30 PM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: How do you feel this trade is balanced gentlemen?

THJ and McGee for Isaac and Houstan

The way I see it, the Magic need shooting and I need to get rid of Tim and McShaqtin. 90%+ chance Isaac is cooked, but he will be a very useful non guaranteed contract to trade.

(08-01-2023, 04:14 PM)MFFL Wrote: Mavs receive: James Harden. Sixers receive: DeMar DeRozan, 2025 second-round pick (TOR via DAL), 2028 second-round pick (MIA via DAL). Bulls receive: Christian Wood (sign-and-trade), Tim Hardaway Jr., 2027 first-round pick (DAL).

Dalton Trigg's thoughts
https://www.si.com/nba/mavericks/news/dallas-mavs-trade-james-harden-3-team-deal-philadelphia-76ers-chicago-bulls-pipe-dream

Original article
https://fadeawayworld.net/the-three-team-blockbuster-trade-idea-james-harden-to-mavericks-demar-derozan-to-76ers

(08-02-2023, 10:30 AM)Smitty Wrote: Where is Wood getting 10M/yr?! He’ll be a minimum or BAE guy for someone.

Don’t want Ayton. I’d rather have THJ to tell the truth.

(08-02-2023, 11:21 AM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: A common mistake fans make is to measure players against expectations and not actual worth.  IMO, it happened with both KP and Wood.

On the opposite side, fans make the mistake of viewing formerly successful players in that former success, not their current actual worth.  IMO this is the case with hope for Holmes and perceived value of Capela.

(08-02-2023, 12:26 PM)mvossman Wrote: I think the biggest issues with both KP and Wood were of the locker room variety.  The team got a noticeable lift after sending away KP (with some surprising player comments made regarding that) and the lack of Wood interest by Mavs or any other NBA team screams locker room red flags.  In fact in both cases I would suggest that it was those players who had too high expectations of what they were and rankled from not getting their touches or minutes.

I think there is some truth to your second point, but you can also go the other way.  Players can have fairly wild swings in their performance from year to year for various reasons.  Its generally not a smooth curve.  So when you project future performance you can make the mistake of being too swayed by recency bias.

(08-02-2023, 01:31 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: So a player I have been way off so far in the draft a few years ago, who also hasn't been a very good NBA player yet is Marvin Bagley.  I never thought he would be a good defender, but I thought he would score and rebound right away and be a guy who put up 20 and 10 year in, year out.  I sort of thought he would be a Julius Randle level player.  It hasn't worked out and he hasn't been good when I have seen him play.  He is still only 24. 

One of the things on the Mavs that I am worried about is a big guy who can get easy baskets for himself.  So how about a gamble on Bagley.  Hardaway for Bagley.  Mavs clear up their guard depth and Detroit removes a big from all their young depth. 

Bagley is your scoring big off the bench.  Paired with Maxi or Grant when one of Luka or Kyrie is resting.  I am guessing most are going to say no, but I do wonder if Bagley ever figures it out, or is this who he is.

(08-02-2023, 01:44 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: If you have known any professional athletes, your first point applies to 95%.  Even the least among professional athletes have been told how special and valuable they are from an early age.  But to your point, you have temper that in regards to your equals and betters.  IMO that applies to KP, not wanting to play with the most gifted ball handler since Lebron.  That was just foolishness, immaturity, and youth.  It doesn't mark him for life as many elites grow out of that (eg Penny/N.Anderson, Kobe/Shaq, Kidd/J.Jackson).  There's simply no smoke that that was the issue with Wood in Dallas.  He thought he should have a bigger role, and anyone with a bball IQ above room temperature would agree, but that was between him and the coaching staff, not teammates.

I agree with your second point, as it pertains to younger players.  You hit late 20s, however, you are who you are.  At that point the curve (season to season) is pretty smooth.  The example I'll use is Capela; what he did in HOU doesn't matter; you have to project out his current decline curve.  This applies to players who had an act II to their careers like G.Hill and D.Rose.  You don't assess them for their earlier MVP value; you assess them for their current role-playing value.

(08-02-2023, 01:50 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: Perfect example.  If you evaluate what he is, rather than what he should be, you still see his value.  I'm totally good with THJ for Bagley for the same reason I have been wanting Wood back.  Give me that scoring off the bench by a big over a SG/SF any day.  Wood is even more ideal given he stretches the defense at an efficient clip.