(07-31-2023, 11:56 AM)mvossman Wrote: As Gump pointed out, that is not really accurate.  A big part of that was being able to trade him away without taking any salary back.  They dumped 24 mil off their cap sheet.  That has value regardless of the player.  Holmes is negative value, but if you were trading him for a neutral asset with similar contract, it should not require a first to do it.

(07-31-2023, 12:10 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: I know he has no fans on this board outside of me since Kam is gone but as the resident +/- and advanced metrics nerd I have to mention his name.

5-year RAPM

Capela +3.22 28th +1.04 off 104th +2.19 def 19th
Nurkic +3.1 30th +0.63 off 177th +2.46 def 11th

There are no trade rumors linking the Mavs to Nurkic but when his name was mentioned in a potential trade for Thybulle it looked like the majority of this board viewed him as a negative asset. What is the difference between him and Capela? Fit? Narrative?

(07-31-2023, 12:15 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: For me, it’s his injury history. Being injured is 1 thing. Being injured for the playoffs is another entirely worse thing.

(07-31-2023, 12:26 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: Eek.  I had no idea he's so often injured.  22 games played last year.  Hard pass.

(07-31-2023, 01:08 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: 52 games. Definitely some injury concerns but one should at least mention that in the last two seasons the Blazers shut him down early because they decided to tank.

(07-31-2023, 01:11 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I guess I thought at least a season or two were of them shutting Lillard down because he wasn’t going to be back. I may be remembering wrong though.

(07-31-2023, 01:23 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: 18/19 Nurkic plays all games up to his freak injury in late march (Hayward, PG like fracture). Out for the playoffs.
19/20 Nurkic out for most of the season. Back just in time for the playoffs.
20/21Nurkic fractures his wrist in January. Out two month.
21/22 Lillard underwent surgery on his abdominal tear. Nurkic shut down after the allstar break. Tank.
22/23 Lillard and Nurkic both shut down after the allstar break. Tank.

(07-31-2023, 01:23 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: 18/19 Nurkic plays all games up to his freak injury in late march (Hayward, PG like fracture). Out for the playoffs.
19/20 Nurkic out for most of the season. Back just in time for the playoffs.
20/21Nurkic fractures his wrist in January. Out two month.
21/22 Lillard underwent surgery on his abdominal tear. Nurkic shut down after the allstar break. Tank.
22/23 Lillard and Nurkic both shut down after the allstar break. Tank.

(07-31-2023, 12:26 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: Eek.  I had no idea he's so often injured.  22 games played last year.  Hard pass.

(07-31-2023, 02:51 PM)RGP1981 Wrote: Nurkic is not very mobile either (similar to Jonas Valenciunas)... not a good thing in a rim protector in the modern game IMO (unless they are exceptional at some other aspect of offense)... and that goes double for a team that already needs to hide Luka on defense.

(07-31-2023, 11:45 AM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: Nope.  You are remembering correctly.  HOU moved him because he couldn't stay on the court in D'Antoni's offense.  Could he fit in better here with Luka's deliberate pace?  Given his age and decline, I don't think so.

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(07-31-2023, 12:10 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: I know he has no fans on this board outside of me since Kam left but as the resident +/- and advanced metrics nerd I have to mention his name.

5-year RAPM

Capela +3.22 28th +1.04 off 104th +2.19 def 19th
Nurkic  +3.1  30th +0.63 off 177th +2.46 def 11th

There are no trade rumors linking the Mavs to Nurkic but when his name was mentioned in a potential trade for Thybulle it looked like the majority of this board viewed him as a negative asset. What is the difference between him and Capela? Fit? Narrative?

(07-31-2023, 03:27 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: I still wonder what SAS wants to do with Z.Collins long term now that they have Wimby.  What do you think is fair value for him?

(07-31-2023, 03:26 PM)omahen Wrote: ??? Capella was part of best Houston years. He was traded in the last desperate attempt to turn things around after the "genius" CP3 for Westbrook trade. It was that trade that started the Houston downfall, Capela and his weaknesses were minor problem compared to that trade. Capela was then part of TDL package that got Covington to Houston in an extreme small ball experiment that failed quickly.

(07-31-2023, 03:30 PM)omahen Wrote: I am not fascinated at all. I think he is a bench player and I wouldn't spend any assets for him. Not because he is not worth a second rounder or two, but because I don't think he makes any difference. Mavs need a starting center, not another bench one. They already have 5 of those on the roster.

(07-31-2023, 03:30 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: That's not at all how I remember it.  I'm not saying it was a successful trade or think their roadmap worked, but I do remember their reasoning for doing so.

(07-31-2023, 03:29 PM)mvossman Wrote: I'm surprised you like Nurk.  He is not really a P&R center and he is more likely to get played off the court defensively than any of the centers we have talked about.  Thought you were bigger on mobile centers.