(07-28-2023, 11:47 AM)Smitty Wrote: Hawks - Siakam, Otto Porter Jr, McGee (+571k Cap)

Raptors - Hunter, Bufkin, [SnT 16M] PJ Washington, ‘24 ATL FRP (-4M Cap)

Mavs - Capela, [TPE] S. Bey (+1.5M Cap)

Hornets - THJ, ‘25 DAL SRP (+9.8M Cap)

Thoughts?

(07-28-2023, 11:15 AM)RasheedsBigWhiteSpot Wrote: "Just say NO to trading 2027 for a non-star!!"

(07-28-2023, 11:05 AM)mvossman Wrote: As Gump pointed out, a big part of what they were doing was shedding cap without anything coming back. In this case, Atlanta is the one shedding cap so it’s different. I agree Holmes is negative asset, but not first round pick negative

Capela is a quality center, but he is expensive, 29 and just had a down year. He is also a guy that could get run off the court in playoffs. I don’t think his value is that high. 

An unprotected first is massive value. Something you use to land a long term piece, Not to upgrade a two year stopgap center

(07-28-2023, 12:21 PM)Jym Wrote: A few months ago the Hawks traded 5 second round picks for Bey so his inclusion makes no sense.

(07-28-2023, 01:29 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Did you guys see the contract Brown just signed? There is a very low possibility of Luka wanting out of getting that kind of money. So, how about we put a team around him that he can be proud to sign another extension? What if OMax never develops a 3? What if Lively is a bust? What if, what if? We can stay with this team and keep the 27 and things go horribly wrong. That’s a sure-fire way to lose Luka.

You guys have covered the bad possibilities of making a Capela trade. What if you’re wrong?

(07-28-2023, 12:21 PM)omahen Wrote: Mavs don't need a star. They need correct role players around their stars. Instead of a plan powder scenario, always waiting for that star, Mavs should aggresively pursue correct role players.  I think the Lakers example is a good indication. They dumped 45 mil (or whatever was Westbrook salary) for 3 role players. Russel was greatly overpaid and as it later turned out, so was Beasley. So, as I have been saying for a while, look to split the 2027 pick and bring in two correct role players.

I agree Capela is not worth unprotected FRP. But as Itsgotime pointed out, we are not offering good salary in return. We are offering negative value contracts (Holmes, McGee) that run for another season. Atlanta doesn't need cap savings. Same as Dallas, they need correct players around their star. I fail to see, why they would have much interest in those salaries. They can get back-up center for vet min and he probably won't produce much less than McGee or Holmes. 

Looks like Mavs like Capela. We know he is not worth 2027 pick and I am sure so do Mavs. It is also very safe to assume that Atlanta will not trade him for lesser players just to save a couple of million they don't really need to save, since they are well below the tax after dumping Collins. So, where is the middle ground?

(07-28-2023, 01:32 PM)BigDirk41 Wrote: Luka 100% signs his next extension, but if the Mavs suck then, expect him to demand a trade the next season. He will get his money and what he wants. The Mavs have to make sure he gets what he wants here.

(07-28-2023, 11:34 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: Trust me, there will come a day when the decision to move the "29 (or was it '30) UNPROTECTED pick for Kyrie will be universally hated by this community. That realization is coming at us like a Mack truck. Even if they win a championship between now and then (probably not as likely as we'd like to hope, but the hope is what's great, of course), it will STILL be annoying to watch BRK or some other team get the 4th pick that year while our Mavs have a frustrating time of it that summer, and that possibility is so much more likely than people realize.

(07-28-2023, 01:39 PM)mvossman Wrote: The original deal discussed in this thread was just Holmes for Capela straight up (assuming the trade kicker could allow that to be a match.  I'm guessing that is not the case).  There was no mention of McGee.  Throwing McGee in there does make it closer in value as Atlanta is no longer saving any cap and eating McGee contract.

Part of this does come down to what I think makes sense vs strictly value.  I have no interest in paying our very limited resources to get off a contract.  I also have no interest in sending out our most significant asset for an aging stopgap solution.  I agree that we don't need more stars, but when "aggressively pursing role players" I think that needs to be long term options like Williams.

(07-28-2023, 01:29 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Did you guys see the contract Brown just signed? There is a very low possibility of Luka wanting out of getting that kind of money. So, how about we put a team around him that he can be proud to sign another extension? What if OMax never develops a 3? What if Lively is a bust? What if, what if? We can stay with this team and keep the 27 and things go horribly wrong. That’s a sure-fire way to lose Luka.

You guys have covered the bad possibilities of making a Capela trade. What if you’re wrong?

(07-28-2023, 04:26 AM)RGP1981 Wrote: Below is probably a more accurate representation of their roster, listed in order of who I think is least to most expendable from OKC's perspective.

PG: Micic, Wallace, Tre Mann, TyTy
SG: SGA, Aaron Wiggins, Isaiah Joe, Oladipo
SF: Giddey, Dort, Jack White
PF: Jalen Williams, Dieng, Robinson-Earl, K.Williams
Ce: Holmgren, Poku, Jaylin Williams, Garuba

Matching contract: Bertans

(07-28-2023, 01:32 PM)BigDirk41 Wrote: Luka 100% signs his next extension, but if the Mavs suck then, expect him to demand a trade the next season. He will get his money and what he wants. The Mavs have to make sure he gets what he wants here.

(07-28-2023, 01:55 PM)mvossman Wrote: I think you either focus on next season, meaning pouring your assets into established vets (less ifs) or focusing long term (at least next 3 years) meaning you pour your assets into young pieces (more ifs).  It seems the FO believes the best way to keep Luka is going the second route.  I tend to agree assuming they can pull it off effectively, and so far I like what they have done.  That does not mean we can't short term upgrade the center position, but with the focus being 2-3 years I think its more a luxury than a necessity.

(07-28-2023, 01:55 PM)mvossman Wrote: I think you either focus on next season, meaning pouring your assets into established vets (less ifs) or focusing long term (at least next 3 years) meaning you pour your assets into young pieces (more ifs).  It seems the FO believes the best way to keep Luka is going the second route.  I tend to agree assuming they can pull it off effectively, and so far I like what they have done.  That does not mean we can't short term upgrade the center position, but with the focus being 2-3 years I think its more a luxury than a necessity.

(07-28-2023, 03:36 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: I'll be honest.  This franchise's ability to deal and draft well makes me value that 2027 FRP a lot more.  Going into this offseason I saw no value in Mavs' draft picks.