(07-27-2023, 03:51 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I'm in agreement about it being Holmes rather than THJ who is at the core of this.  THJ is a salary match for Capela, so there is no mandate for McGee to be included and you don't "overpay" for something that you don't have to do.  But, Holmes misses being a trade match for Capela by himself by about $1,070,000.  So another salary HAS to be added and Dallas rightfully wants it to be McGee.  That will cost something.  People can debate what that something is.

We covered this ground the other day, but if Dallas sends out two salaries, they have to get back to 14 players.  Holmes/McGee outgoing (no matter where McGee ends up) for Capela incoming is a $2.9mm bump to the Mav's payroll.  We only have $4.1mm of space under the tax and it will cost ~$2mm to add a 14th body.  My squeamishness with the idea that this is as simple as wait to September and pay cash or cash + a second to someone to take McGee is this will throw Dallas $800k into the tax.  How much does Dallas lose in tax distribution for that $800k?  Is it $20mm?  Whatever it is, that is too much for Capela.  

(07-27-2023, 03:51 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I'm in agreement about it being Holmes rather than THJ who is at the core of this.  THJ is a salary match for Capela, so there is no mandate for McGee to be included and you don't "overpay" for something that you don't have to do.  But, Holmes misses being a trade match for Capela by himself by about $1,070,000.  So another salary HAS to be added and Dallas rightfully wants it to be McGee.  That will cost something.  People can debate what that something is.

We covered this ground the other day, but if Dallas sends out two salaries, they have to get back to 14 players.  Holmes/McGee outgoing (no matter where McGee ends up) for Capela incoming is a $2.9mm bump to the Mav's payroll.  We only have $4.1mm of space under the tax and it will cost ~$2mm to add a 14th body.  My squeamishness with the idea that this is as simple as wait to September and pay cash or cash + a second to someone to take McGee is this will throw Dallas $800k into the tax.  How much does Dallas lose in tax distribution for that $800k?  Is it $20mm?  Whatever it is, that is too much for Capela.  

So, it feels like there would need to be something else at some point.  I'm not talking about Hardy, Green or even something happening before the season starts.  But, at some point, Dallas would likely look for a way to reduce salary back below the tax line if there is some kind of Holmes/Capela based deal in September.

(07-27-2023, 05:19 PM)F Gump Wrote: IGT -- 
"Holmes still has his trade kicker in his contract right " -- No. That ship has sailed.

"McGee, cash (for buyout) and a couple seconds to OKC for 2 players they were gonna cut anyway" -- If this is meant as some help to a Capela trade being discussed, I'm not seeing how it helps there. If not ... 

OKC is going to cut their junkiest. I'd want to know WHICH players, but very skeptical of the value. Having more junk on Mavs roster won't help. Eating up multiple roster slots doesn't help either. Nor does paying picks for junk. It's certainly a different story if they will let go of players who are good enough to fit into Mavs rotation, but that sure seems unlikely to me.

(07-27-2023, 06:19 PM)omahen Wrote: After cutting Gay, OKC still has 20 players on the roster. If they cut Oladipo (almost certainly) and Bertans (he has some money owed for next year and could be a useful salary match once they start cashing in those picks), they still have to cut 3 young players on rookie deals. Bodies for end of the bench, to see if there is something. 

But, I only see this if Mavs have no other option but to dump McGee. In that case it might make more sense to take a couple of those players for end of the bench. They save OKC some money (they have to cut them otherwise), which might perhaps reduce the price of dumping McGee.

(07-27-2023, 03:58 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Holmes for Capela would be the biggest heist in league history. A starting C for a 3rd string C all because they save some money. Forgive me if I’m not in any way getting my hopes up and side with the report of “slightly overpay”.

(07-27-2023, 07:23 PM)F Gump Wrote: Yeah, I get the situation. But I don't see how this really is a path that saves OKC money. It's a premise of players on min or very small salary who have value, right? (Because, if it's not, how can you fit 2 into the McGee salary slot). But if they have value but almost no salary, can't OKC alternately just give them away, reducing their disposal cost to $0? 

Then there's the simple math. If DAL is doing it to reduce salary, how can OKC swap with the Mavs and reduce salary too?

If we're saying they have use for JM, yeah that's a diff story. Veteran center, traditional rim protector, lots of plus athletic traits (7', 7-6 wingspan, mobile, can jump through the roof), has won rings, great for chemistry, etc etc and maybe OKC wants to use leftovers to add one of those.

(07-27-2023, 08:40 PM)omahen Wrote: OKC is a real interesting case for dealing. They are certanly a team able to split our 2027 pick, as they have endless selection of different picks to send back. If I assume Garuba, Washington, Joe, Oladipo and Mann are their "cut list" (they keep Bertans for trade matching purpose), they still have the following depth chart and some very good prospects will not get minutes.

PG: SGA, Micic (didn't come to NBA to warm the bench), Wallace (traded up to get)
Small wings: Williams, Dort, Wiggins (plus some of PG will play the SG position), White
Big wings: Giddey, K.Williams, Poku, Dieng,
Centers: Holmgren, Williams, Robinson,
Matching contract: Bertans

So, how about this:
Mavs: Dort, Poku, another body from OKC, lottery protected future FRP
OKC: THJ, McGee, 2027 unprotected

Mavs can use Holmes and that pick for the center trade later.

(07-28-2023, 04:26 AM)RGP1981 Wrote: Below is probably a more accurate representation of their roster, listed in order of who I think is least to most expendable from OKC's perspective.

PG: Micic, Wallace, Tre Mann, TyTy
SG: SGA, Aaron Wiggins, Isaiah Joe, Oladipo
SF: Giddey, Dort, Jack White
PF: Jalen Williams, Dieng, Robinson-Earl, K.Williams
Ce: Holmgren, Poku, Jaylin Williams, Garuba

Matching contract: Bertans

(07-27-2023, 04:08 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: On the other hand. Holmes still has his trade kicker in his contract right? That money adds to our outgoing salary too. That is just enough to make him a match for Capela. I could see Holmes and 27 unprotected for Capela. That alleviates the need to add a 3rd team.

(07-28-2023, 08:59 AM)mvossman Wrote: While I share your skepticism that we can simply send Holmes for Capela, sending an unprotected first for Capela would be a wild overpay.

(07-28-2023, 09:19 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Not when we’re also getting off of Holmes contract, not at all. Look, I have just as much hope as the rest that Holmes regains his 20-21 form here. I was with everyone that year in wanting to get him. Fact is, he hasn’t shown anything since being traded, so his value isn’t any higher than the value we traded him for, otherwise Sac would have realized that value instead of us. It’s for sure an even trade, you yourself may not want to do it, but it’s even.

(07-28-2023, 09:19 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Not when we’re also getting off of Holmes contract, not at all. Look, I have just as much hope as the rest that Holmes regains his 20-21 form here. I was with everyone that year in wanting to get him. Fact is, he hasn’t shown anything since being traded, so his value isn’t any higher than the value we traded him for, otherwise Sac would have realized that value instead of us. It’s for sure an even trade, you yourself may not want to do it, but it’s even.