(07-24-2023, 07:45 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: Interesting..if true

https://twitter.com/OptimistWolves/status/1683605268309975042?s=20

(07-25-2023, 10:59 AM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: Yup.  In this new CBA you can't pay that type of money for a Robin who is known to disappear once in a while.  Is Brown even a top-10 player?  I have him somewhere between 15-20.

(07-25-2023, 10:33 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1683856580188545025?s=20

Bobby Marks (@BobbyMarks42)
Here is the breakdown on the Jaylen Brown super max extension in Boston:

2024-2025 $52,368,085

2025-2026 $56,557,532

2026-2027 $60,746,979

2027-2028 $64,936,425

2028-2029 $69,125,872

Total $303,734,893



This is going to be the worst contract in the NBA starting next year.

(07-25-2023, 11:26 AM)omahen Wrote: Do you think it is better for Boston to be without Brown? I guess this is the price of trying to contend. But their window will likely be short, as it will be very difficult to build around them in two years, once Tatum signs his supermax.

(07-25-2023, 11:23 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: Tough to judge contracts nowadays.  Supposedly premium contracts are going to explode with the new cba.  There may be some 100 million dollar players during this new cba.  It is going to be interesting when a star is making close to a 100 million per year but a good player is only getting MLE numbers. I interesting locker room dynamics.

(07-25-2023, 11:26 AM)omahen Wrote: Do you think it is better for Boston to be without Brown? I guess this is the price of trying to contend. But their window will likely be short, as it will be very difficult to build around them in two years, once Tatum signs his supermax.

(07-25-2023, 11:02 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: I just realized if the Cavs went all in on Naz Reid... What does that say about their opinion on Jarrett Allen?

(07-25-2023, 11:50 AM)F Gump Wrote: It's all relative. Each year, the size of every level of pay is now designed to stay the same percentage relative to each other. Max players get 25, 30 or 35% of the cap, and an MLE player gets a bit under 10%. But yes, we can rest assured that ALL of them will end up thinking they are getting the short end of the stick, even though they are all getting lottery-jackpot-sized payouts of varying sizes year after year.

(07-25-2023, 11:26 AM)omahen Wrote: Do you think it is better for Boston to be without Brown? I guess this is the price of trying to contend. But their window will likely be short, as it will be very difficult to build around them in two years, once Tatum signs his supermax.

(07-25-2023, 11:53 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: I don't believe lambasting an obviously bad contract means I'm in favor for the opposite outcome (and an extreme end of it).

Brown at the end of the day wants the most amount of money possible. Boston is the only team that can offer that.

Lets imagine a world where Boston does decide to enact some of their leverage and play hardball (because at the end of the day they are the ones writing the checks).

Brown probably gets mad, talks go to a stalemate, and Brown heads to free agency next year. The most he could get from any other team would be 30% of ~142 mil and 5% max raises for 4 years. It'd come out to a starting salary of 42.8 mil, and the total contract would be 4 years/184 mil. Vs. Boston gave him a supermax worth 35%, 8% max raises, AND a 5th year worth 5 years 304 mil.

Boston could easily have waited, offered Brown 5 years, 8% max raises, and 30% of the cap and they'd still blow away everyone else's offers. Are they risking Brown walking for free? Sure. Are they better off having him? Sure. Did they just sign him to the worst contract in the league? 100%.

(07-25-2023, 12:25 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: I'd rather what you could have gotten for J.Brown prior to this contract.

(07-25-2023, 12:40 PM)omahen Wrote: The questionable move was KP, imho. Especially because it cost them Smart to do it, who seemed to be the heart of the team. I just don't believe this move makes them better. Not to mention how I think 30 mil for KP is a real overpay.

(07-25-2023, 11:06 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: I have him 24th:

1. Jokic
2. Giannis
3. Steph
4. Durant
5. Luka
6. Tatum
7. Embiid
8. Kawhi 
9. Davis
10. Lebron
11. Booker
12. Butler
13. Dame
14. SGA 
15. Mitchell
16. Morant
17. Trae  
18. Bam
19. Lauri
20. Fox
21. Kyrie
22. Ant
23. Siakam
24. Brown

(07-25-2023, 12:33 PM)omahen Wrote: Thinking more about it, it will be possible to build around 2 super max contracts. There just won't be place for 30 mil players. 6 or 7 guys paid on average some 12 or 13 mil can still be very good supporting cast.

(07-25-2023, 01:05 PM)F Gump Wrote: Depends on how you define "possible." Technically, you could have 15 supermax contracts if you want to pay the massive tax and deal with the CBA ramifications. But as a practical consideration, not so much.

The numbers to do a roster of 2-supermax, with another 6-7 MLE sized contracts to help them, puts a team far over the 2nd apron. 

Look at PHX with 2 supermax, a 30% max, a 25% max - basically just a 4-man roster -- and then all they can do is minimum salary. And even with all minimums they are hopelessly over apron 2. Maybe they can make that work, but it sure feels like with no depth, they are an injury here or there from disaster.

(07-25-2023, 12:40 PM)omahen Wrote: I don't agree. This team was in the finals 2 years ago and in ECF last season. This team is very, very close and both stars are still very young. I don't think you can break this up and hope to end up better. They still have most of their draft assets. Well positioned. 

The questionable move was KP, imho. Especially because it cost them Smart to do it, who seemed to be the heart of the team. I just don't believe this move makes them better. Not to mention how I think 30 mil for KP is a real overpay.

(07-25-2023, 12:47 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Definitely agree with this. Simmons, the ultimate Celtics fan, has talked quite a bit about the new Celtics direction. It all seems to be driven by Stevens' staunch support of the new coach, who most people aren't too sure they like, including Simmons. The two guys he didn't vibe with the most were Smart and Williams, and they were also two of the most key components of the team's defensive identity. That defensive identity is pretty much what has kept the team at the top of the league recently. Now, with Porzingis and without Smart/Williams, their entire defensive philosophy has to change. The team hopes having a post option in Porzingis (lololol) will help to fix some of the late game awkwardness the team has suffered offensively in big games, but Mavs fans should know better, imo. Even Celtics fans and the team, itself, understands that the defense is about to take a pretty big hit.

Personally, I feel like Boston is about to take a significant step backwards, but I could be wrong.

(07-25-2023, 01:46 PM)Jym Wrote: As the resident KP supporter, I'm picking Smart + Williams all day, every day over KP. Especially if you include that stupid $30 mil a year extension. Talk about bidding against yourself. That doesn't make any damn sense to me

(07-25-2023, 02:05 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: Williams is still there.  Why is that a choice?