(07-20-2023, 09:30 PM)The Jom Wrote: They took on a questionable $24mm commitment for a late first rounder. So obviously they won’t pay an unprotected 1 to dump 12. You’re safe. Straw men ain’t gonna get you.

(07-20-2023, 10:30 PM)F Gump Wrote: Don't call it a straw man, when my point is merely a RESPONSE to the suggestion (and the support of) the Mavs doing the lunacy you call a straw man.

(07-20-2023, 10:40 PM)RGP1981 Wrote: Trade McGee for TyTy and Garuba? Not sure what it will take, but I think it can only be done on Sep 12th.

TyTy + Garuba = $4,908,840
McGee = $5,734,280

G: Kyrie........... Curry, TyTy
G: Green......... THJ, Hardy
F: Luka........... GWill, Exum
F: Kleber......... O-Max, Garuba
C: Holmes....... Lively, Powell

More yutes! 

(07-20-2023, 08:27 PM)F Gump Wrote: And about your willingness to give up a 1st round pick (an unprotected one after Luka's contract expires!) and some 2nds to get off of McGee's deal a couple years early - goodness.

(07-20-2023, 11:15 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: That'd be an interesting move. However, it doesn't necessarily address the Mavs most dire need for a starting center. 

That said, the Garuba believers are intent that he just needs a chance and he'll break out as one of the best switch PF/C in the league. To be able to dump McGee and grab him might prove to be a move we'd be singing praises of a couple of years from now.

I'd imagine that OKC asks for a 2nd rounder, as they've been doing in practically every trade this offseason that involves them taking on money (although not for Bertans interestingly enough). Perhaps the Mavs letting them get below the roster limit is enough of a payment? Still I think Presti asks for one of the SAS 2nds, and at that point the deal looks a lot less interesting to me.

Shifting gears, the real trade I'm pining for is Valanciunas. Y'all remember when earlier this summer the Pels were rumored and ready to move on from the big man? They're about 3 mil over the tax, and I have to imagine they are still interested in getting below that. The Pels might be uniquely interested in taking cheap contracts to fill their rotation and get below the tax, as they are one of the few teams in the league with a 3-star payroll. 

Perhaps we can work OKC into a 3 team deal and the Mavs facilitate:

DAL: Valanciunas+Garuba (or any of OKC young guys below 4.5 mil that can be absorbed into the TPE). 
Pels: THJ+Ty Ty+Robinson-Earl
OKC: Larry Nance Jr. + one future 2nd from DAL

Everybody gets what they want here. Mavs get their starting center that is clear cut above Powell+Holmes. He is also on a 1 year contract so the potential to stunt Lively is reduced. Valanciunas also is a 36.8% shooter (albeit on low attempts) for spot up 3s, which means he could theoretically play next to Powell or Holmes if needed (although unlikely). Pels used similar lineups with Val+Jaxson Hayes with middling success. He can be the bruiser when needed and Holmes can be the de-facto PnR bench guy. Mavs still remain 2 mil under the tax and Garuba is injury insurance for Maxi.

Pelicans get their shooter they've been searching for who they've had interest in the past. They get Alvarado injury insurance, and a 6'9 switchable 4 that is in the mold of Nance Jr. on a cheaper contract (and isn't as good). They also get right below the tax line by about 800k.

OKC cash in on some young prospects, pick up a 2nd, and reduce their roster to 18. After what I assume a Bertans+Dipo waive they'd be at 16 and really only have to lose 1 young guy vs. 3. 


If you can't get through the wall of text, then to summarize, I think there is potential with the Pels for a Valanciunas deal and we can work a 3-team with OKC to where every team can get something that they want.

(07-20-2023, 11:34 PM)cow Wrote: Except I didn't say this.  Read next time.

(07-20-2023, 11:40 PM)F Gump Wrote: Yeah you did. Read what YOU said the next time.

A trade was suggested in which the Mavs give up 1sr R Pick (of which they only have 1) as part of the outgoing, as was McGee. Post 5374.

I replied I would love to see McGee traded, but no interest in a trade with 1st outgoing, even if McGee is outbound.

YOU chose to object, and say that you HAVE TO pay something to get rid of McGee (" McGee's contract might require a FRP ..."), so ....

And I responded I wasn't interested. (" Not interested in the least. He can be trade filler. He can be parked on the bench. Maybe be of help in practices. I see no reason to use draft capital too, in addition to paying him, and I think the media assertions that he is definitely gone are misguided (either by over-assuming media, or by short-sighted front office people, if there's not a trade coming where he will be filler). It would NOT surprise me if he actually ends up going nowhere, despite what we are being told by media.")

YOU countered again, arguing that  "getting off of McGee's contract inexpensively is just a dream."

And again, I said I'm still not interested in such a deal -- don't have any real need to move McGee, and certainly not at that sort of price where Dallas' 1st is being mentioned. That was my point all along, and if you want to start arguing with me about my point, and keep arguing, then it's on you.

(07-20-2023, 11:40 PM)F Gump Wrote: Yeah you did. Read what YOU said (and read what YOU responded to) the next time.

A trade was suggested in which the Mavs give up 1sr R Pick (of which they only have 1) as part of the outgoing, as was McGee. Post 5374.

I replied with the idea I would love to see McGee traded, but no interest in a trade with the Mavs only 1st outgoing [and more picks were mentioned too], even if McGee is outbound.

YOU chose to object, and say that you HAVE TO pay something to get rid of McGee (you made it a point to say "McGee's contract might require a FRP ..."), so ....

And I responded I wasn't interested. (" Not interested in the least. He can be trade filler. He can be parked on the bench. Maybe be of help in practices. I see no reason to use draft capital too, in addition to paying him, and I think the media assertions that he is definitely gone are misguided (either by over-assuming media, or by short-sighted front office people, if there's not a trade coming where he will be filler). It would NOT surprise me if he actually ends up going nowhere, despite what we are being told by media.")

YOU countered again, upping your argument by adding that  "getting off of McGee's contract inexpensively is just a dream."

And again, I said I'm still not interested in such a deal -- don't have any real need to move McGee, and certainly not at that sort of price where Dallas' 1st is being mentioned.

That was my point all along. It never changed. You started in arguing with me. And kept on arguing. My point never changed.

(07-20-2023, 11:47 PM)cow Wrote: Get off your fucking high horse.  I'm telling you what it would cost to get off of McGee and NOT saying that the Mavs should pay the price which I implicitly pointed out and which you conveniently ignore.  If you want to be a dick, at least come correct.  This of course is made all the more funny considering our opinions on the matter are largely the same.  If it were cheap to move off of McGee, he'd be gone.  It's not worth the cost to move him so we probably will not.  So yes, YOU need to learn to read.

(07-20-2023, 11:57 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: SH has the best mod cap.

(07-20-2023, 11:36 PM)F Gump Wrote: While I want to like the idea, 2 things to me are deal-killers, both of them major:
1 Mavs are already overloaded with bigs, and here we are trading 1 wing for 2 bigs. No can do.
2 I'm told Val lost a step (or maybe 3-4) last season, and his defense is now iffy. Not interested in that.

While not a deal-killer, I'd also object to the Mavs giving away picks just to give them. That's a Cuban motif, and it's bad. This is not a steal for the Mavs at all, and in fact they probably get the worst end of the deal [THJ is arguably the best player in this trade, and they solve problems for BOTH the Pels ($$) and OKC (numbers)]. The team getting a pick or two in this deal, if anyone, should be DAL.

(07-20-2023, 11:45 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1682131284527575046

NBA Retweet (@RTNBA)
James Harden removed “NBA Player for the Philadelphia 76ers” and the location of Philadelphia, PA. from his Twitter bio.

Same with his IG. ☕️

(07-20-2023, 11:15 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Shifting gears, the real trade I'm pining for is Valanciunas.

Perhaps we can work OKC into a 3 team deal and the Mavs facilitate:

DAL: Valanciunas+Garuba (or any of OKC young guys below 4.5 mil that can be absorbed into the TPE). 
Pels: THJ+Ty Ty+Robinson-Earl
OKC: Larry Nance Jr. + one future 2nd from DAL