(07-18-2023, 01:37 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Just pointing out that both Hardy and Green have a long way to go to even get into the conversation if we are looking at impact metrics. When I read that Green is more or less the same player and already more efficient on offense I start to question my sanity. Impact metrics are a good way to account for all the stuff that isn´t showing up in the boxscore.
As far as my overall interpretation of RAPM goes. In the same role as a first or second option on offense Caruso would obviously never be as good as the rest of the guys on the list. But in his role as glue guy and swiss-army knife he has a big impact on the game.

Going back to the initial trade proposal one would have to be really high on Green or Hardy (similar impact within the next three years) not to inlcude them in a potential trade package. Going back even further to Stein´s post from the deadline it explains why the Bulls asked for (probably still want) two first round picks in return.

(07-18-2023, 01:33 PM)mvossman Wrote: The point he is making is Caruso is good.  That is showing his on court impact (which includes both offense and defense) and that Caruso defense is so good it makes up for his modest offense.  I just posted above some very questionable results from this analysis.  It appears there is too much noise in RAPM, even for a 5 year sample.  Its why the best comprehensive advanced stats (EPM, DPM) leverage something in addition to on/off.

(07-18-2023, 01:47 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: I look at it as impact in a given role. Caruso wouldn´t be among the best in the league as a primary ballhandler but he is one of (if not) the best glue guys in the league.
Powell ranking as high isn´t a suprise. In his given role as a 20 min per game big he has been better than most fans want to acknowledge. Just looking at the last season he actually lead the Mavs in raw +/-.

Funny that you mention EPM. Guess who leads the league on defense.

(07-18-2023, 02:14 PM)mvossman Wrote: But the reality is that Caruso is a 29 year old role player and Hardy is a 20 year old with massive upside.

(07-18-2023, 03:02 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: This is going to be a VERY interesting season.

(07-18-2023, 03:09 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1681371836066430999?s=46&t=Fmdr94oXagcEyy75KJqaFg

Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn)
Free agent C Nerlens Noel has agreed on a one-year, $3.1M deal with the Sacramento Kings, his agent @georgelangberg of GSL Sports Group tells ESPN. Noel gives the Kings a defensive presence in the frontline rotation.


Kings must have some solid hot dogs (will the hot dog jokes ever get old? I think not).

(07-18-2023, 04:12 PM)michaeltex Wrote: I don't know where else to pose this question, so I'll drop it here.

Filled with good vibes from the SL performance of our rookies, SnT for Williams, draft day trade for Holmes, and ongoing speculation that DAL can get in on a deal for either Towns or Capella, I took a sip of Koolaid and put on my rosiest of glasses and started looking into the future.

I'm thinking about how this summer has been about surrounding Luka (I still consider it HIS team) with decent defenders, more size, a bigger frontline, 40%-ish 3pt shooters, and bigs that appear to have some handling skills (e.gl, OMax) and more depth of PG-type ball handlers.

So my question is, If the supporting cast improves as much as we hope it will, does Kyrie become superfluous?

The reason I'm asking is I'm not sure there's enough balls in play with both Luka and Kyrie and 8 other guys wanting to get their shots as well. Individually, both are phenomenal talents. But I'm not sure they are complementary, longer term. I'm interested to see what gets worked out in training camp, but, IMO, we have two alpha dogs but only room for one. If it leans too much Luka's way, does Kyrie get triggered into being a problem?

(07-18-2023, 07:53 PM)RGP1981 Wrote: Jaden Hardy for Max Christie swap... Who says no?

(07-18-2023, 12:54 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: Darryl Morey has fucked around for a long time and I think he's finally reach the "find out" stage.

(07-18-2023, 04:12 PM)michaeltex Wrote: So my question is, If the supporting cast improves as much as we hope it will, does Kyrie become superfluous?

The reason I'm asking is I'm not sure there's enough balls in play with both Luka and Kyrie and 8 other guys wanting to get their shots as well. Individually, both are phenomenal talents. But I'm not sure they are complementary, longer term. I'm interested to see what gets worked out in training camp, but, IMO, we have two alpha dogs but only room for one. If it leans too much Luka's way, does Kyrie get triggered into being a problem?

(07-18-2023, 08:41 PM)F Gump Wrote: Mavs need to grow their own developing talent, so to speak. The solution isn't to pore through someone else's and hope they let you have one (which of course they will only make the leftovers available to you), but to find the raw material yourself from 2nds and UDFAs and have the skilled personnel to make those into key players. That's where Caruso, Reaves, Christie, and so on came from. Also Strus, Vincent, Duncan Robinson, etc. And Alvarado, Herb Jones. J Vanderbilt. Naz Reid. The list goes on and on.

(07-18-2023, 08:41 PM)F Gump Wrote: Mavs need to grow their own developing talent, so to speak. The solution isn't to pore through someone else's and hope they let you have one (which of course they will only make the leftovers available to you), but to find the raw material yourself from 2nds and UDFAs and have the skilled personnel to make those into key players. That's where Caruso, Reaves, Christie, and so on came from. Also Strus, Vincent, Duncan Robinson, etc. And Alvarado, Herb Jones. J Vanderbilt. Naz Reid. The list goes on and on.

(07-18-2023, 11:19 PM)The Jom Wrote: Are you implying the Mavs have not? That Brunson, Kleber, Finney-Smith don’t count?

(07-18-2023, 04:12 PM)michaeltex Wrote: I don't know where else to pose this question, so I'll drop it here.
Filled with good vibes from the SL performance of our rookies, SnT for Williams, draft day trade for Holmes, and ongoing speculation that DAL can get in on a deal for either Towns or Capella, I took a sip of Koolaid and put on my rosiest of glasses and started looking into the future.
I'm thinking about how this summer has been about surrounding Luka (I still consider it HIS team) with decent defenders, more size, a bigger frontline, 40%-ish 3pt shooters, and bigs that appear to have some handling skills (e.gl, OMax) and more depth of PG-type ball handlers.
So my question is, If the supporting cast improves as much as we hope it will, does Kyrie become superfluous?
The reason I'm asking is I'm not sure there's enough balls in play with both Luka and Kyrie and 8 other guys wanting to get their shots as well. Individually, both are phenomenal talents. But I'm not sure they are complementary, longer term. I'm interested to see what gets worked out in training camp, but, IMO, we have two alpha dogs but only room for one. If it leans too much Luka's way, does Kyrie get triggered into being a problem?

(07-18-2023, 04:53 PM)mvossman Wrote: Luka can't do it all by himself.  We don't have that many ball handlers.  We have to have somebody like Kyrie (or Brunson) and Luka needs to figure out how to play with said player.  Otherwise its going to be really hard for Luka to win a chip.