(07-17-2023, 03:09 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Of course they would do it. LOL. You don´t trade 20 year olds with ALL-Star upside for limited roleplayers. Why you think literally every Dallas trade suggestion involves Hardy.

(07-17-2023, 03:17 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Well, I see the perspective you’re suggesting, but I’m not AS sure as you are that Hardy has All-Star potential. It’s possible, but I’d put the odds under 50/50. I certainly like his potential and am in no hurry to give him away (see my thoughts on any other suggestion involving Hardy this summer). But, I value the unprotected ‘27 more highly than I value Hardy, just for example. 

I think you can make an argument that Caruso is currently the best guard defender in the NBA. I’d want him WAAAAY more than Thybulle, that’s for sure. 

This is one I’d do.

(07-17-2023, 03:17 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Well, I see the perspective you’re suggesting, but I’m not AS sure as you are that Hardy has All-Star potential. It’s possible, but I’d put the odds under 50/50. I certainly like his potential and am in no hurry to give him away (see my thoughts on any other suggestion involving Hardy this summer). But, I value the unprotected ‘27 more highly than I value Hardy, just for example. 

I think you can make an argument that Caruso is currently the best guard defender in the NBA. I’d want him WAAAAY more than Thybulle, that’s for sure. 

This is one I’d do.

(07-17-2023, 02:28 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: https://clutchpoints.com/nba-rumors-bulls-set-sky-high-trade-asking-price-for-alex-caruso


Don´t think the asking price changed. Hardy alone won´t get it done.

(07-17-2023, 03:55 PM)mvossman Wrote: I'm surprised.  He is 29 and makes Thybulle and Green look aggressive on offense.  He takes less than 5 shots per 36.  Thats crazy!  His secondary playmaking helps a little, but I find it interesting that you were not excited about paying 11 to Thybulle but are willing to send Hardy out for Caruso.

(07-17-2023, 03:11 PM)F Gump Wrote: You might assume that the Mavs' asking price on Hardy would be 2 1sts, in which case maybe there is a value match. And the idea that Caruso is WORTH a pair of 1sts, for a player who only gives 5ppg, 3 rpg, 3 apg, that doesn't sound very realistic pricing even if he is a good defender.

The cap implications might be a bigger issue, however, with Caruso getting paid ~9.5M and up, whereas Hardy is only in the ~2M range. And if they did this trade, Mavs would be right at the tax line (only $89,400 under it, with 14 players) and almost certain to end up paying tax by the time they deal with injuries and stuff, which could cost Cuban down the road financially in several significant ways.

(07-17-2023, 04:14 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: I would do the hypothetical Caruso deal that BR wrote about, although it'd give me serious pause.

I've been a believer in Hardy since before his draft. He was number 1 on my board at 26 but I felt he was going to go mid lottery. The fact he fell to 36 AND the Mavs drafted him made me overjoyed.

I still think he's an incredible talent and I don't want to cap his ceiling, but I'm not super confident in his future all-star bid. But who knows? I think he's leaning closer to the JR Smith/Jordan Clarkson comp than the all-star version we want to see.

(07-17-2023, 04:14 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: +/- darling if I have ever seen one.

18/19: Lakers +4.6 on court +8.2 on/off (2nd behind LeBron)
19/20 "bubble" Lakers: +10.4 on court +7.1 on/off (2nd behind LeBron)
20/21 Lakers: +4.7 on court +3.2 on/off (3rd behind LeBron and AD)
21/22 Bulls: +4.9 on court +7.4 on/off (1st)
22/23 Bulls: +6.0 on court +7.2 on/off (2nd behind DJJ)


On a good or bad team. As a starter or with the bench unit. When Caruso is on the floor his team is outscoring the opponent.

(07-17-2023, 04:23 PM)JamesConway912 Wrote: Re F Gump & bringing back Wood:

The moment Kleber goes down we loose the option to play five out. So yeah. He’d obviously be a big addition to this roster. That’s a HUGE tool for the playoffs. 

Doesn’t have to be Wood, but the type of player is needed. Bertans/KP are also gone. We basically lost the majority of our PF/C three point shooting.

(07-17-2023, 04:13 PM)omahen Wrote: The deal idea included JaVale, so tax is not an issue

(07-17-2023, 05:27 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: I am just not trading Hardy in any realistic trade brought up.  You will not get value at this stage to the type of player he could be.  Could be not will be.  But if he continues to the develop having a second round pick or late first on a rookie deal is the best asset you can have in the league outside of a superstar in his prime.  Right now he can be a piece in a solid deal.  When he is 24 he could be a core piece on our team or the key piece in a star deal.  If he doesn’t get there, he is a second round pick who will have a long journeyman career.  But if he hits…..

(07-17-2023, 05:31 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Having said that, I bet Cuban and Donnie regretted turning down that offer of a lottery pick for Roddy B on draft night back in the day.

(07-17-2023, 05:32 PM)khaled1987 Wrote: Was about to say that, offered the same pick that ended up Paul George.
Sometimes it is better to sell when there is illusion of value

(07-17-2023, 05:31 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I don’t judge you for this thinking, I really don’t. It makes some sense, and I would definitely hold onto him in most negotiation situations. 

Having said that, I bet Cuban and Donnie regretted turning down that offer of a lottery pick for Roddy B on draft night back in the day.