(04-29-2023, 06:29 AM)ThisIStheYear Wrote: The Lakers have no need for Kyrie. Their PG dominated last night. Kyrie is a free agent, so you can’t just trade him. A sign and trade might bring back a minor asset or two and a bunch of salary. Kyrie as a Mav is probably the optimal outcome for both parties right now, and then later you could make a proper trade if needed.

(04-29-2023, 06:29 AM)ThisIStheYear Wrote: The Lakers have no need for Kyrie. Their PG dominated last night. Kyrie is a free agent, so you can’t just trade him. A sign and trade might bring back a minor asset or two and a bunch of salary. Kyrie as a Mav is probably the optimal outcome for both parties right now, and then later you could make a proper trade if needed.

(04-29-2023, 08:51 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I’ll admit from the start that this is a bit of tin foil hat theory.

It has been reported that Brooklyn would not trade Kyrie to LA (or if they did, the price would be dramatically higher than trading him anyplace else).  If Dallas was just a stopover on the way to LAL, the way to do this isn’t in free agency this summer.  It is extend and trades before 7/1.  Think in terms of the discussion FG and I (and others) had regarding Draymond recently.  

Yes, there is a limitation on years in this scenario, but are we sure there is a contract out there for more than $84mm over two years?  The reporting is Brooklyn didn’t want to fully guarantee him as his extension number.  That number is now larger because of his trade kicker.  Are we sure Russell will find more than $67mm over two years?  I’m not sure either guy gets those numbers…especially from a contender.

So, how might this work out for Dallas?

We gave up Dinwiddie and get younger Russell
We gave up DFS and get younger Vanderbilt
We gave up 2029 and get Lakers 2029
We gave up a 2nd and get a future second from LA

It isn’t hard to make us whole (and younger).  Vanderbilt is under LA control right now (as are Beasley and Bamba), so this doesn’t have to get into all of the other FA’s on the LA roster.  Dallas is getting Russell and Vanderbilt for $10mm less than the Kyrie max.  It fills two spots on the roster and enhances out ability to stay under the tax and use the full MLE.

As an alternative, maybe we take LA’s pick in this years draft instead of 2029 giving us more flexibility to trade for a center since Vanderbilt covers the ‘big wing who can defend’ need that we have.  Maybe you draft Lively with 17 and use 10 plus 2027 for Turner and take back Indy’s early 2nd.

Turner, Lively, McGee
Vandy, Maxi
Green, THj
Russell, Bullock
Luka, Hardy

One last note…the timing of all of this is in the current season before 6/30 (or before 6/29 if Bamba or Beasley are involved).  So, it avoids all of the restrictions of the new CBA.

(05-01-2023, 11:14 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Mavs and Atl need a shakeup in the worst way. Okongwu needs to finally be the undisputed starter. Collins needs a change in scenery. THJ needs a new team as does Bullock. This trade happens this season before the draft.

Atl out: Collins/Capela
Mavs out: Maxi/Bullock/THJ

Atl gets 3 quality bench players for their 2 replaced starters.

Trae/Murray/Bey/Hunter/Okongwu
Holiday/Bogdan/THJ/Bullock/Kleber

Strong group with good depth and vet presence.

Mavs get 2 of the 3 starters they need. Go into the draft knowing what they need. They trade down for Lively and an asset or 2. Could use one of those assets in the offseason along with Bertans to SnT for Dillon Brooks. I know he’s been getting beat up recently, but I really think he needs to get away from that horrible Mem culture.

Kyrie/Luka/Brooks/Collins/Capela
Hardy/Green/FA/FA/Lively

Defense, rebounding and scoring.

(05-02-2023, 08:24 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Newest offseason plan. Not worried about how to do it. Get Brooks, Draymond and Simmons.

Kyrie/Luka/Brooks/Draymond/Simmons

(05-02-2023, 08:40 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Send two firsts two Miami for Spoelstra. He can make it work.

(05-03-2023, 01:59 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Don’t care if Utah isn’t going to do this (I think it’s debatable). Would you?

Utah in: Josh Green, Bertans, Delon Wright, Mavs #10 and unprotected 27
Was in: THJ
Dal in: Markannen and Gafford 

(05-03-2023, 06:18 PM)RasheedsBigWhiteSpot Wrote: I swear, if Gafford had an OnlyFans site, we'd never see IGT again.

(05-03-2023, 06:41 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I guess I could pine over Turner or whatever other non-gettable C there is out there. Gafford is the right play to not throw so much money into a position that gets run off the court so often.

I’d talk about Hartenstein more except he’s playing himself into staying in NY. 

Landale looks to be a good move as a backup.

We need 2 SFs, 2 PFs, 2 Cs and a 3rd PG as quickly and as cheaply as we can get them.

We have THJ, Bullock and the hope of SnTing Wood as well as 2 picks (whether or not we convey to NYK), the hope of one of the MLEs and the BAE, to make it happen before we run into Green and Hardy trade packages.

(05-03-2023, 07:39 PM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: Hartenstein is a huge contributor for them. He's not going anywhere. We had our chance to get him, and didn't. When was the last time we could say the Knicks are making sound basketball decisions?

(04-29-2023, 08:51 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: So, how might this work out for Dallas?

We gave up Dinwiddie and get younger Russell
We gave up DFS and get younger Vanderbilt
We gave up 2029 and get Lakers 2029
We gave up a 2nd and get a future second from LA