(07-14-2023, 10:10 AM)omahen Wrote: Interesting. I have it difficult to see Mavs starting something like Irving-Luka-GW-PJ-Center. PJ as full time small center also doesn't make a lot of sense, imagine playing that line-up against Denver giants. Moving GW (or PJ) to bench would be most logical conclusion, but we risk that the one relegated to bench is not happy with this. 

On top of that, I seriously doubt Charlotte has much interest in THJ, as long as they are overpaying Rozier on the position. I don't see the two SRP moving the needle and I certainly don't want to include 2027 with all the doubts stated in first paragraph. Charlotte would be probably more interested if we would take Rozier, but Mavs don't have matching contracts for Rozier and PJ.

This SnT would be more possible if Mavs would have the whole Bertans TE. But that train is gone.

(07-14-2023, 09:13 AM)Smitty Wrote: “Dallas’ front office does not view its offseason as complete, and at least one move — JaVale McGee being traded or stretch-waived, as first reported by ESPN — is certain to happen before training camp begins. While Dallas could still trade for a big man, the team is content to enter next season with the centers currently on the roster.

If that’s the case, Dwight Powell would be the favorite to retake his starting spot. But multiple team employees have expressed optimism in a rejuvenated Richaun Holmes after the 29-year-old center fell out of the Sacramento Kings’ rotation last season. As Nico Harrison said on Wednesday’s summer league broadcast, “(Holmes) told me he was in jail the last couple years.” The thinking, those sources say, is that Holmes only lost his rotation spot after Sacramento’s offense was reimagined around Domantas Sabonis and will fit better into Dallas’ guard-based schemes.”

(07-14-2023, 08:38 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: Maybe they stalled because the Pistons woke up?  LOL

https://twitter.com/mavsfilmroom/status/1679847451455356928?s=46&t=iwQP5yZoJF3Ulzfb9MH7Cg

(07-14-2023, 09:45 AM)RoyTarpleysGhost Wrote: When THJ was in the group photos at summer league, I was resigned to the reality they couldn't flip him for a center.

Gonna be interesting if he or Josh Green starts.  THJ and Hardy playing together doesn’t seem like an ideal fit.

(07-14-2023, 10:10 AM)omahen Wrote: Interesting. I have it difficult to see Mavs starting something like Irving-Luka-GW-PJ-Center. PJ as full time small center also doesn't make a lot of sense, imagine playing that line-up against Denver giants. Moving GW (or PJ) to bench would be most logical conclusion, but we risk that the one relegated to bench is not happy with this. 

(07-14-2023, 10:31 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: I think it’s pretty clear that one of the main motivating factors in any THJ talks, from the Mavs’ POV, is to rid themselves of McGee’s contract.

Think it is and probably always was a long shot to expect something we like MORE than THJ in return from a deal set with those parameters.

(07-14-2023, 10:57 AM)Tyler Wrote: Personally, I could easily see Dallas starting that lineup. Both GW and PJ are big, crazy switchable, and capable of defending 1-5. Include OMax in that rotation, and that's 3 athletic wings between 6'6" and 6'8" all 24 or younger. There would be no breaks for opposing offenses.

(07-14-2023, 10:57 AM)Tyler Wrote: Personally, I could easily see Dallas starting that lineup. Both GW and PJ are big, crazy switchable, and capable of defending 1-5. Include OMax in that rotation, and that's 3 athletic wings between 6'6" and 6'8" all 24 or younger. There would be no breaks for opposing offenses.

(07-14-2023, 10:55 AM)mvossman Wrote: If he plays defense like he did last year, I don't hate starting Timmy.  Green seemed more effective off the bench.

(07-14-2023, 11:01 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: Issue is rebounding. Mavs would get absolutely demolished on the boards. PJ/GW/Luka are all great secondary rebounders, but out of those guys who is boxing out the Jokic/Bam/AD/etc. of the league?

Heck even a step below with Capela/Ayton/JV/Adams/Robinson.

I'd still get PJ, but he wouldn't be the 5. Sure he'd play spot minutes there, as well at some time at the 4, but my ideal lineup would be:

Luka
Kyrie
PJ
G-Will
Rebounding Center

Then when crunch time comes you have the small ball lineup if needed.

(07-14-2023, 11:31 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: After seeing that GWill can guard 1-5, I really would love to see PJ here. GWill being the POA defender probably isn’t ideal, but I think the overall team defense would be so much more improved it wouldn’t matter as much. Now, that contract, is $16M on the table if no team has approached that number? $15M? I’d include all 3 SRPs for that, maybe add a pick swap in 25 (worded so it’s legal). Maybe get SA or OKC involved as a money release valve?

(07-14-2023, 11:15 AM)Jason Terry Wrote: Kyrie 
Luka 
OMax
GWill
PJ

That’s a massive lineup. I don’t think they would have a problem with rebounding. Maxi and Green  both can team rebound

(07-14-2023, 11:40 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: I agree with your premise, and would still have some interest in PJW.

But, I think $18M is the lowest you can go and still get him. I think the closer that contract inches towards the MLE, the more likely Charlotte is to just pay him and keep him. Might even take $20M to get it done.

Would that change your opinion?

(07-14-2023, 11:48 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Absolutely. No interest in WAY overpaying him. I think with the contract GWill got, $16M is even high, but because the rest of the payroll is set up well, the gamble is solid.

(07-14-2023, 11:48 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Absolutely. No interest in WAY overpaying him. I think with the contract GWill got, $16M is even high, but because the rest of the payroll is set up well, the gamble is solid.

(07-14-2023, 11:51 AM)Smitty Wrote: Starting number of 15M. Gets you at ~4/65. Roughly 16M AAV. I think that’s about right for him.

(07-14-2023, 11:51 AM)Smitty Wrote: Starting number of 15M. Gets you at ~4/65. Roughly 16M AAV. I think that’s about right for him.

15,100,000
15,885,000
16,647,750
17,480,137

65,082,887

16,270,721 AAV

(07-14-2023, 11:54 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: Well, no idea what he’ll get (maybe just the QO), but it seems clear that his availability starts and ends with his opinion that he’s a $20M per guy and the reluctance of Charlotte to offer that. 

There’s obviously a reality element where he’ll have to compromise a little, but we don’t really know where Charlotte’s comfort value is. I do remember reading somewhere that they offered $15M per already.

So, it’s speculation, but if you’re only interested at $16M per, I don’t believe he’s actually available. I think if/when he wraps his head around that deal he gets it from CHA.