(07-13-2023, 09:47 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: https://twitter.com/Dc3daM/status/1679331665355714561?s=20

The random Hawks "insider' who said the Siakam deal would happen at 4:00pm Monday now has a new prediction and it's Capela going straight to Toronto and Masai deals him to Dallas in his own time.

While that's not unheard of after what happened with Dragic, and it'd be just like Masai to try and wrangle an inflated Capela price from what he assumes is a desperate Dallas, what in the world is that sort of logic? Does Masai (or this "insider") truly think Capela's agent will be okay with his guy playing backup to Poeltl? Is TOR going to go above the 2nd apron just so they can try and swindle supposedly one of Dallas' young guys?

How many teams need to blackball Masai before he gets fired?

(07-13-2023, 09:47 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: https://twitter.com/Dc3daM/status/1679331665355714561?s=20

The random Hawks "insider' who said the Siakam deal would happen at 4:00pm Monday now has a new prediction and it's Capela going straight to Toronto and Masai deals him to Dallas in his own time.

While that's not unheard of after what happened with Dragic, and it'd be just like Masai to try and wrangle an inflated Capela price from what he assumes is a desperate Dallas, what in the world is that sort of logic? Does Masai (or this "insider") truly think Capela's agent will be okay with his guy playing backup to Poeltl? Is TOR going to go above the 2nd apron just so they can try and swindle supposedly one of Dallas' young guys?

How many teams need to blackball Masai before he gets fired?

(07-13-2023, 12:25 PM)RGP1981 Wrote: The Kings are acquiring Chris Duarte for two second-round picks. Pacers will receive a 2028 second (via Dallas) and the Kings' 2030 second-round pick.

It would have been nice if Nico & Co had made this trade instead of the Kings. Duarte seems worth a punt at that price, just two 2nd rounders. I think this lineup would work nicely when Kyrie sits... Luka, Green, Duarte, Kleber, Holmes/Lively.

(07-13-2023, 12:49 PM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: If this game was musical chairs, the Mavs would always be left standing.

(07-13-2023, 12:49 PM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: If this game was musical chairs, the Mavs would always be left standing.

(07-13-2023, 11:44 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Are we sure the trade target would be Capela if we are waiting to make the deal later?  The Holmes/Poeltl math is pretty convenient.

(07-13-2023, 12:59 PM)mvossman Wrote: I am good with the idea of getting a starting center for 2 years while Lively is learning the ropes as long as the cost is salary filler and a couple of seconds.  Anything more than that and we are putting way too many assets into the center position.  Poeltl is under contract for 4 more years (at 20 mil) and would definitely cost the first.

(07-13-2023, 01:08 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Hard to assume that Lively will be ready in 2 years. He's talented and the chance is there, but I doubt that he can be a championship caliber center in 2 years.

Poeltl is closer to that and he's worth a first. If Lively does somehow turn into that, then great, we can either flip Poeltl for someone or Lively for even more.

(07-13-2023, 01:20 PM)mvossman Wrote: Its not about assuming, but I think its reasonable to plan on Lively starting in his 3rd year (if not sooner).  That might not be the case and you adjust when you realize it.  But with so few assets it seems a misuse to use your two biggest (lottery pick and unprotected 27) for two guys who play the same position and can't be on the court together.  I seriously doubt this is something we have to worry about anyways.

(07-13-2023, 12:04 PM)omahen Wrote: I think both ideas are pretty unrealistic. If Toronto traded for Capela, they would just tank his value, since he wouldn't be able to play a lot. Every team would know that Toronto has no use of Capela and even I would negotiate from position of strength here.

Toronto traded for Poeltl and just gave him a contract. I see no way they are even thinking about trading him, unless Mavs are offering Luka.

(07-13-2023, 01:30 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: That’s his entire first contract. I disagree with you, but if you’re right about that then it was a horrible, horrible pick, especially for a team in Dallas’ situation.

Since they clearly didn’t spend a lottery pick (instead of trading it) on a player they didn’t think could contribute in a major way for four years (!!) I’m gonna go out on a limb and suggest they aren’t seeing things your way. You might be right, and they might be wrong, but that’s flatly not how they’re looking at it right now.