(07-12-2023, 09:48 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: So,This got me thinking:

Atl in Kleber, Wood ($9-11M starting), 3 SRPs
Tor in Hardy, Green, McGee, THJ, 28 pick swap
Dal in Siakam, Capela

Kyrie/Luka/GWill/Siakam/Capela
Exum/Curry/vet min/OMax/Holmes

Would need lots of vet min salary after the trade, but we would have an amazing starting 5. No real POA defender, but the collapse and rim protection would be amazing.

(07-12-2023, 10:37 AM)omahen Wrote: I agree, that would be awesome. But, only a couple of weeks ago no one even thought of a possibility of Siakam with one FRP, now you want Capela and Siakam with one FRP  I doubt Atlanta would help us with Capela if we "steal" Siakam from them

(07-12-2023, 10:47 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Couple weeks ago no one wanted to put Hardy in the trade either (I’m sure the sentiment is still the same). Wood and Maxi is a great consolation prize!

(07-12-2023, 10:54 AM)omahen Wrote: I never had a problem putting Hardy in a right deal. I think Siakam is a right deal. He is really an excellent fit next to Luka, imho.

As nice as they look, Hardy and Green are still just an idea of what they can become. We all hope this idea will come true, but it hasn't yet. It is also possible it never will.

(07-12-2023, 11:05 AM)Jym Wrote: Yeah talent for talent, that deal doesn't bother at all if we could pull it off. Just more the money side would worry me. The apron rules are no joke

(07-12-2023, 11:05 AM)Jym Wrote: Yeah talent for talent, that deal doesn't bother at all if we could pull it off. Just more the money side would worry me. The apron rules are no joke

(07-12-2023, 11:21 AM)omahen Wrote: I find this apron thing interesting. Do you really have a signal that teams worry a lot about it? Was the offseason any different than previous ones?

We saw the biggest spenders dump some of their contracts instead to just continue spending more and more. GSW dumped Poole for expiring CP3. Clippers didn't use their option on Gordon letting him walk. Other than that we still saw a bunch of "he really got that much money" contracts all over the league. Many teams are desperate to contend and many teams feel like they are very close, since there really isn't any credible multistar superteam (yeah, I don't buy Phoenix experiment). Jerami Grant, Draymond Green, Brooks, FVV, Stewart, Strus and more all got huge contracts, imho. Bane got max contract. Sabonis got max money, despite being exposed big time in playoffs (really not a fan of that deal). KP got 60 mil for two more years. It surely doesn't signal me as the league turned to a bunch of penny pinchers worrying about their cap situation.

As for Mavs. Asuming cap will rise with similar dynamics as the salaries do. Even if Siakam gets his max deal (assuming 45 mil), Mavs would have 125 mil tied into their top 3 players, leaving a bit over 45 mil for rest of roster to stay under apron 1. Maxi, GWill and Lively take 30 mil of that. So Mavs would have 15 mil to play with for remaining 9 players. Yeah, it would be tight  But possible.

(07-12-2023, 08:52 AM)Jason Terry Wrote: Working with the premise on Capela/ATL deal:
1- Capela makes too much to be a backup and acquiring team must view him as a clear starter
2- Acquiring team must be able to take on a few million net in this trade (both other teams want less $ back)
3- Acquiring team must send out a non-center contract (Toronto doesn’t want a big)

All these teams have better situations and make no sense: BOS, MIL, PHI, CLE, BKN, TOR, MIA, CHI, iND, ORL, DET, DEN, SAC, MIN, OKC, UTA

WAS and POR entering rebuild and stripping it down. CHA has big problems next offseason with the QO guys. LAL doesn’t have the matching piece or ability to take on more. MEM and GSW have already made moves and would have a hard time pulling this off. LAC is focused on Harden. NOP and PHX are in a bad place financially and can’t make it happen

HOU - past ties
SAS - they want Wemby at the 4
NYK - maybe they see this as an upgrade?
DAL

That’s about it. You’ve got to think his agent is trying to get him to Dallas. It makes far more sense for him than any situation in the league

(07-12-2023, 09:48 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: So,This got me thinking:

Atl in Kleber, Wood ($9-11M starting), 3 SRPs
Tor in Hardy, Green, McGee, THJ, 28 pick swap
Dal in Siakam, Capela

Kyrie/Luka/GWill/Siakam/Capela
Exum/Curry/vet min/OMax/Holmes

Would need lots of vet min salary after the trade, but we would have an amazing starting 5. No real POA defender, but the collapse and rim protection would be amazing.

(07-12-2023, 12:40 PM)F Gump Wrote: Not a legal trade for DAL -- in fact, not even close. The hard cap says hello.

(07-12-2023, 12:31 PM)F Gump Wrote: Thanks for that information. I have working from the mindset that the Mavs have to be one of the few ways (and perhaps the only one) for ATL to off-load Capela, but I didn't want to take the time to go through all the teams one by one and analyze their situation, and this fills in those blanks. Much appreciated!

This is certainly something Nico/Lindsey must know, and it indicates they should be negotiating from a position of strength.

(07-12-2023, 12:52 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Ya, I figured that out after the fact. It needs Holmes instead of Wood.

(07-12-2023, 12:52 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Ya, I figured that out after the fact. It needs Holmes instead of Wood.

(07-12-2023, 01:06 PM)omahen Wrote: Atlanta still has TE from Collins deal, so you could do it in two separate deals. I doubt anyone wants Holmes money, though. More and more I am affraid, Mavs paid quite a costly price for that #24 pick, if they don't intend to really use Holmes. 12 mil of dead money on the roster is not neglectable. Hopefully they can use his expiring contract next season.

(07-12-2023, 01:06 PM)omahen Wrote: Atlanta still has TE from Collins deal, so you could do it in two separate deals. 

(07-12-2023, 01:29 PM)F Gump Wrote: The problem is DAL's hard cap (limit on total payroll), not the mechanics of the salary match to move players from one team to another. Mavs would be sending out every player they can send except Luka, and it's still not enough outgoing salary for hard cap purposes.

(07-12-2023, 01:29 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: I guess the better way of looking at it was the team already had 17 million of dead money on the roster in Bertans. 

So the Mavs found a way to shed 5 mil of that and got a FRP in the process.