(07-11-2023, 02:49 AM)F Gump Wrote: Be that as it may, they do want Siakam -- and if they need to replace Capela with something else to do so, and the Mavs are the one place they have to go to make it happen, then the terms should be quite favorable. Right?

The question is, who else (if anyone) would be willing to take Capela for them right now? Or are we the only game in town?

Because I think what I'm asking is not a deal-killer if we are the taker for Capela, and their prize is Siakam.

(07-11-2023, 06:55 AM)omahen Wrote: Where the hole in your thinking in my opinion is, is in the wording "we are taking Capela". But really we are not. We are just replacing his salary with (at best) equal value salary of THJ and even throwing in McGee. You even want young player in addition. This doesn't add any value to Atlanta and Toronto trying to execute the Siakam trade, as Toronto has as much of use of THJ as they do of Capela. They have GTj on their roster, who is basically a much younger THJ. I guess Toronto would be willing to take Capela (or THJ), but with assets added to do that. Or Capela is dumped to salary cap space team with asset from Atlanta to reduce salary going to Toronto. What Atlanta would be looking for from Dallas would be the assets (draft assets, young player) going to Toronto for them to take back long term THJ salary they don't need. Alternative could be if Dallas finds a way to only ship McGee to Toronto, greatly reducing the salary they get. But this requires more pieces being sent to another team. 

The question in negotiations is, what those assets from Dallas to Toronto would be. I think 2 SRP is not enough to provide value as a third team.

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Also, I think Atlanta can do the trade without Capela. If I am not mistaken, Hunter, Bey and Mills is enough salary for the trade. The open part are the assets going to Toronto, and just to repeat, here is where Atlanta is looking for value from Dallas.

(07-11-2023, 06:38 AM)surfpuckmd Wrote: I've brought up Derrick Jones Jr several times here.  I think he's the best fit as a small-ball four.  Athletic enough to switch onto guards and generally a strong defender and energy guy off the bench.  He has improved his 3-point shooting and would likely shoot even better on the open looks he'd get from playing with Luka and Kyrie.  He's clearly available for cheap and possibly even the vet minimum.  I think we'd be wise to offer him above the minimum with a second year team option.  Something like 2 years, $9 million total.

The other player who could work here is Darius Bazley.   He is already a very good NBA defender.   His defensive RAPTOR was 3.0 last season which puts him in elite company.  His defensive rating was 110.8 last season which is pretty good.  For comparison, Finney Smith was 117 last year (lower is better).  Marcus Smart last year was at 111.7.  Anyway, Bazley is already a very good defender.  Solid rebounder for a four.  He also has a 7-foot wingspan.  He can cover the perimeter and provides good rim protection (2 blocks per 36 minutes)

(07-10-2023, 09:24 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: We would want our best defenders on their best offensive players 

Jokic - Maxi/GWill/Lively 
Murray - Green 
Gordon - GWill/OMax
MPJ - Luka
KCP - Kyrie

(07-11-2023, 08:42 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: Do we have any TPE left over?  Or is that gone?  If we have some left over, how much do we have?

(07-11-2023, 08:26 AM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: No, I was comparing defensive roles, not dong matchups.  This is defense vs defense.  I used DEN because they had the best team def rtg and were of course the champs.

So using DEN as an example defensively...
Green... KCP
G.Will... Gordon
Kyrie... Murray
Luka... MPJ
Powell et al... Jokic

To compare the two, we're lacking...
Green < KCP
G.Will < Gordon
Kyrie = Murray
Luka < MPJ
Powell et al <<< Jokic

(07-11-2023, 10:33 AM)RasheedsBigWhiteSpot Wrote: So ATL sends Capela and Bey (who fits into the TPE) to Dallas
Dallas replaces Bey with Green to Tor.  Tor also receives McGee, 2027 FRP (top 5 protected or else becomes a 2nd), plus an additional SRP.  They also still get Hunter and that third piece from ATL.

Atlanta receives THJ and Siakam.

In effect, Dallas is injecting draft capital in the deal for Atlanta to get the deal done.

(07-11-2023, 10:40 AM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: Denver was actually ranked 15th last year in team defense and I think 4th in the playoffs, just a heads up.

Having said that I don't disagree with most of these comparisons although I would say if this is just defense comparisons you're giving a little too much credit to Jokic and MPJ there.  I would also say that Green is capable of becoming the level of defender KCP is, just isn't there yet.

Another thing is that I don't think this board is truly appreciating the level of defender GWill is.  I absolutely love Aaron Gordon and think he's a better overall player because of what he brings on offense and believe he's a truly great defender but I also feel GWill is on that level.  I think this board sees him as a career bench player without taking into consideration he was playing on a team with 2 all nba wings.

On the hoop collective the other day they dropped a stat that mentioned there were only 11 players last year that logged 750 matchups against all three categories of bigs, wings and guards.  The 5 they mentioned were Draymond, Bam, Giannis, JJJ...and GWill.  Aaron Gordon was guessed and I was surprised to learn he was not one of those 11 players (I also wished they listed all 11 because I really wanted to learn if DFS was on that list).  Just feel the need to point out that we're getting one of the more versatile defenders in the entire league with GWill.  The stuff he did on the eastern conference championship run against Giannis and KD is really impressive.  Lots of clips out there of him holding his own against Embiid and Jokic.

He doesn't solve all our problems but he's a big step in the right direction.

(07-11-2023, 10:46 AM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: I would swap J.Green for Bey every day and twice on Sunday.  I would imagine, however, that TOR would want Bey instead of Hunter.  But, if the bball gods smiled upon us, it'd be...

Luka, Hardy, Exum
Kyrie, Curry
Bey, THJ
G.Will, Maxi
Capella, Powell, Lively

Even though I'm not a huge Capella fan, I'd do this deal.

(07-11-2023, 10:52 AM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: Guys, Saddiq Bey is not that good.

Dude is a chucker shooting 36% from deep for his career and not a great defender.

(07-11-2023, 11:04 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Percentages are heavily influenced by Detroit´s attempts to turn him into the next Paul George/Paul Pierce. Tanking his percentages. Mavs wouldn´t ask him to create for himself or take contested 3s.

Looking at his role on a team with better creators his short stretch with the Hawks was really promising. Same for his rookie season.

40.2% (5.3 attempts) on catch and shoot 3s in his rookie season.
39.6% (4.2 attempts) post allstar break (after the trade) this season.

(07-11-2023, 10:52 AM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: Guys, Saddiq Bey is not that good.

Dude is a chucker shooting 36% from deep for his career and not a great defender.

(07-11-2023, 11:04 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Percentages are heavily influenced by Detroit´s attempts to turn him into the next Paul George/Paul Pierce. Tanking his percentages. Mavs wouldn´t ask him to create for himself or take contested 3s.

Looking at his role on a team with better creators his short stretch with the Hawks was really promising. Same for his rookie season.

40.2% (5.3 attempts) on catch and shoot 3s in his rookie season.
39.6% (4.2 attempts) post allstar break (after the trade) this season.

(07-11-2023, 11:16 AM)MarkAguirreWrathofGod Wrote: Josh Green is a superior to Saddiq Bey in literally every facet of basketball. Dribbling, passing, finishing, defending, shooting, rebounding, conditioning. And he is on another level as an athlete.

(07-11-2023, 08:53 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: $4,953,980 from Bertans minus Holmes.

FWIW, I think we are $4.5mm under the tax, but we don’t have final numbers on Kyrie, Seth or Williams