(07-10-2023, 02:09 PM)Smitty Wrote: I don’t want the Mavs to trade a FRP for Capela but the fascination with not sending it for what can be considered a final piece has to stop. The Mavs are in win-now mode. Just two years ago they went to the WCF with Brunson, Luka, Bullock, DFS, Powell starting with Dinwiddie and Maxi off the bench. This year they have Kyrie, ‘23 Luka, Green, Williams, *Holmes with THJ and Maxi off the bench.

You can say what you want about no team goes from missing the playoffs to contenders but the reality is, this team is not far away.

(07-10-2023, 02:28 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I have no problems spending picks. I’m not one of those guys. 

I have problems spending my LAST $10 (with no income on the horizon) on a chipotle burrito when what I need is a loaf of bread, some peanut butter and jelly that could keep me going for a week or two while I look for a job. 

Spending 1sts like this is PRECISELY how the Mavs got into this mess. To get themselves out, they have to WIN trades.

(07-10-2023, 02:23 PM)Smitty Wrote: This is what I would do but if we would all do it, it’s probably too good to be true.

Hawks: Siakam , McGee
Mavs: Capela
Raptors: THJ, Hunter, Bey, Hawks ‘24 & ‘29 FRP, Mavs 2 SRP’s.

(07-10-2023, 02:33 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Not sure if that’s how the deal will actually look, but in THIS economy, two 1sts, Bey AND Hunter seems like enough for Siakim. Lower than what we’d thought he’d go for the past couple of seasons, but then again he’s not locked into a contract anymore. That might be even a little steep, from some people’s POV.

And, I do NOT think anyone would ask for a 1st from Dallas for Capela, especially if they’re giving up THJ. I agree that the dumping of McGee has value - only reason I’m worried. I really hope Cuban;s desire to avoid the tax isn;t overriding common sense about the worth of the assets involved.

(07-10-2023, 01:41 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I like Bey a lot. Don’t like him as a 3. Kammrath and I argued for an entire summer about this. He thought Bey’s athletic profile was underwhelming for an NBA 3, and I argued that he’d be a 4 in the league. So far, that’s what he has been.

Point being, that puts you back to “who’s coming off the bench, Williams or Bey?” Imo, at least. Not opposed, other than I really think those bench minutes should already be going to Omax.

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Yeah, if I’m Toronto, I want Bey to replace Siakim.

(07-10-2023, 02:19 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: This has been a great off season, and for my money, it has been great specifically because the moves made don’t overtly reek of the thinking above. The above mentality has dictated all of the mistakes of the past few years, but this summer feels different to me.

And, I’m not even opposed to that thinking…for a team close enough to make it count. I think the Mavs recognized that they needed to fill the cupboard up again. I don’t think there’s an imminent flight risk from Luka. I think we’re three years from that worry, easily.

After watching this smart string of moves, how good do you think this situation can be for him in three years?! Much, much better than it is now, and probably better than any of the alternatives, if they play this smart enough.

But at the end of the day, I don’t throw that 1st in because I don’t think this deal is worth it, regardless of where you fall on the team’s timeline. Straight up. No, Griffin’s inclusion doesn’t move the needle, either.

(07-10-2023, 02:39 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: We'll see. I understand where you're coming from and I actually agree the inclusion of 2027 for just Capela is an overpay.

I just think the Mavs are better off being as good as they possibly can be in the short term no matter what. Capela solves the center issue in the short term quite well. 

And this deal does cap off basically their entire list of goals they set out to begin the summer. They'd have addressed almost every issue we had going into the summer. The only one they're lacking a bit is an additional defensive wing and maybe some more consistent bench scoring.

(07-10-2023, 02:47 PM)HAguiar95 Wrote: Hardaway, McGee, unprotected '28 DAL 1st swap for Capela.

If we're giving a 1st ('27 have to be very lightly protected due to BKN or it has no value) we have to be getting one of the young ATL/TOR pieces.

(07-10-2023, 02:55 PM)Smitty Wrote: https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1678491963983806464?s=20

(07-10-2023, 02:19 PM)mvossman Wrote: Capela is not the final piece.  He is a better stopgap than Holmes/Powell.  Its not about being afraid to send out that first.  Its about getting good value from that pick.  Capela is not it.

(07-10-2023, 03:06 PM)Tyler Wrote: I also wouldn't sleep on the possibility that the holdup with the GW deal isn't trade matching but the picks. We still have zero clarity on the two seconds we're supposed to be getting. Maybe there's some way to turn them into a late 1st to send to Toronto without parting with our own.

(07-10-2023, 03:06 PM)Tyler Wrote: I also wouldn't sleep on the possibility that the holdup with the GW deal isn't trade matching but the picks. We still have zero clarity on the two seconds we're supposed to be getting. Maybe there's some way to turn them into a late 1st to send to Toronto without parting with our own.