(07-10-2023, 01:34 PM)omahen Wrote: This is certainly a concept that could make sense. Perhaps Atlanta likes Griffin too much, but there are other interesting youngsters. Or protected FPR. I just don't believe 2 SRP can be enough to bring Dallas into the deal.

(07-10-2023, 01:32 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: I'm honestly on the fence of THJ for Capella.  Great teams have at least 2 superstars and at least 2 players who can dependably give you 20pts when their number is called.  THJ is our only player that gives us that right now.  Hardy will be that also, but can't be relied upon to do it now.

(07-10-2023, 01:37 PM)SkenfromLMF Wrote: IF Dallas sends out an unprotected 1st, what would the odds be that they can get Bey routed to Dallas. That would address the two needs they feel they have for the one asset.

(07-10-2023, 01:37 PM)SkenfromLMF Wrote: IF Dallas sends out an unprotected 1st, what would the odds be that they can get Bey routed to Dallas. That would address the two needs they feel they have for the one asset.

(07-10-2023, 01:37 PM)SkenfromLMF Wrote: IF Dallas sends out an unprotected 1st, what would the odds be that they can get Bey routed to Dallas. That would address the two needs they feel they have for the one asset.

(07-10-2023, 01:40 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: As much as I'd love to send Bey to Dallas, no shot Toronto is doing this deal unless they get the best forwards.

(07-10-2023, 01:37 PM)mvossman Wrote: Then don't do it.  Let somebody else get involved.  I could definitely see where Atlanta has a higher asking price straight up than they do when facilitating getting Siakam.

(07-10-2023, 01:41 PM)KillerLeft Wrote:

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Yeah, if I’m Toronto, I want Bey to replace Siakim.

(07-10-2023, 01:34 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Can’t get enamored with the shiny toy, especially since he’s not THAT shiny.

Two years of Capela while you work your lottery pick center up to speed is a nice thing, but not “near unprotected 1st rounder from a future season wherein Kyrie might be retired and Luka might be on another team” nice. I just can’t get there, sorry.

(07-10-2023, 01:51 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Just bringing this up again, if Luka is on another team come 2027, it's because the Mavs traded him. As Dan's pointed out a bunch, the most likely scenario for Luka (and what has been done countless of times) has been for the star to sign the biggest contract he possibly can, then demand a trade. And in that scenario Luka will extend for his supermax, as it will dwarf any other offer another team can give. 

Should the Mavs trade Luka we'd get the biggest trade return of all time. There will be no shortage of picks for the rebuild. That's why I'm not super torn on trading the 2027 pick.

(07-10-2023, 01:51 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Just bringing this up again, if Luka is on another team come 2027, it's because the Mavs traded him. As Dan's pointed out a bunch, the most likely scenario for Luka (and what has been done countless of times) has been for the star to sign the biggest contract he possibly can, then demand a trade. And in that scenario Luka will extend for his supermax, as it will dwarf any other offer another team can give. 

Should the Mavs trade Luka we'd get the biggest trade return of all time. There will be no shortage of picks for the rebuild. That's why I'm not super torn on trading the 2027 pick.

(07-10-2023, 01:51 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Just bringing this up again, if Luka is on another team come 2027, it's because the Mavs traded him. As Dan's pointed out a bunch, the most likely scenario for Luka (and what has been done countless of times) has been for the star to sign the biggest contract he possibly can, then demand a trade. And in that scenario Luka will extend for his supermax, as it will dwarf any other offer another team can give. 

Should the Mavs trade Luka we'd get the biggest trade return of all time. There will be no shortage of picks for the rebuild. That's why I'm not super torn on trading the 2027 pick.

(07-10-2023, 01:57 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: That doesn’t change the equation for me, because I just saw what the Mavs were able to do with the #10 pick on draft night. You can’t tell me it makes sense to send this one (good chance it’s even better) out for Capela (whom I like). Its worth is either a greater aid to a Luka led team than this deal or a good way to jumpstart the post Luka Mavs world.

Capela doesn’t do quite enough for me in EITHER scenario, especially given the investment in Lively. Now, if they had a couple more picks to pony up and could get Siakim, the only true difference maker involved here, I’d happily pull the trigger, but in order to position yourself to even afford giving consideration to moves like that, you have to avoid spending your few and far between firsts in deals like this.

(07-10-2023, 02:01 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: And, what doesn’t seem to get properly understood is that not all firsts are equal. The firsts you’ll get for Luka in a trade are mostly going to be picks in the late 20’s. This Mavs ‘27 might #1, if things go a certain way.

For Capela.

(07-10-2023, 01:57 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: That doesn’t change the equation for me, because I just saw what the Mavs were able to do with the #10 pick on draft night. You can’t tell me it makes sense to send this one (good chance it’s even better) out for Capela (whom I like). Its worth is either a greater aid to a Luka led team than this deal or a good way to jumpstart the post Luka Mavs world.

Capela doesn’t do quite enough for me in EITHER scenario, especially given the investment in Lively. Now, if they had a couple more picks to pony up and could get Siakim, the only true difference maker involved here, I’d happily pull the trigger, but in order to position yourself to even afford giving consideration to moves like that, you have to avoid spending your few and far between firsts in deals like this.

(07-10-2023, 02:09 PM)Smitty Wrote: I don’t want the Mavs to trade a FRP for Capela but the fascination with not sending it for what can be considered a final piece has to stop. The Mavs are in win-now mode. Just two years ago they went to the WCF with Brunson, Luka, Bullock, DFS, Powell starting with Dinwiddie and Maxi off the bench. This year they have Kyrie, ‘23 Luka, Green, Williams, *Holmes with THJ and Maxi off the bench.

You can say what you want about no team goes from missing the playoffs to contenders but the reality is, this team is not far away.

(07-10-2023, 02:11 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: I mean I can't equivocate what the Mavs can do in 4 years given I have no idea what the roster will look like. Sure we can debate the usefulness on the pick in future deals and what supposed value it could bring, but those deals don't exist yet. 

But I do know that Luka's patience is running thin. The Mavs have been faffing around for the better part of 4 years never been doing enough. They were too liberal with their pick usage that led us to never having enough for a true big fish. Now I don't think they can afford to wait and stockpile assets for the next big guy (nor do I think that's what you're implying). Capela for all his warts does make a lot of sense. He's still really good. His history with a guy like Harden, who's playstyle is similar to Luka only emboldens that to me.

I can't imagine a better deal right now where the Mavs can use the 2027 pick, obtain a starting caliber center, shed off of McGee, and potentially get a young forward like Griffin in 1 swoop. The deals for massive difference maker stars like Siakam are too expensive. The Mavs can only get to that kind of package is if they wait till 2026 where, should they wait, would have 26, 31, 33 to trade with pick swaps in 2027 and 28. But that's 3 years down the line and again, like Nico said when they traded for Kyrie, he was more afraid of what would have happened if they didn't make that deal. 

Time is ticking.

(07-10-2023, 02:19 PM)mvossman Wrote: Capela is not the final piece.  He is a better stopgap than Holmes/Powell.  Its not about being afraid to send out that first.  Its about getting good value from that pick.  Capela is not it.

(07-10-2023, 02:19 PM)mvossman Wrote: Capela is not the final piece.  He is a better stopgap than Holmes/Powell.  Its not about being afraid to send out that first.  Its about getting good value from that pick.  Capela is not it.