(07-10-2023, 01:00 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Put it this way, if I told you on June 1st the Mavs would be getting 2 FRP prospects (one a switchable defensive center and a 6'8 defensive maestro), Richaun Holmes, Grant Williams, Clint Capela, Seth Curry, and retained Kyrie on as realistic of a team friendly short term contract as can be that is cheaper than FVV

And all it cost was THJ, Reggie, McGee, Bertans, 1 pick swap and a 2027 first, would that frame your outlook any differently?

(07-10-2023, 12:28 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Nothing that would cost ONLY one pick, imo.

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I would do this.

Not sure we can assume Hardy is ready to step into THJ’s shoes right away, but it’s deal you can’t pass up. Capela remains underrated, defensively, and this is a good buy low point in time for him, I think.

(07-10-2023, 01:03 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Usually you hate dinosaur bigs. What´s the difference when it comes to Capela. i see a guy that already lost some of his foot speed. Cannot really defend in space. Declined badly as a rim protector. Cannot shoot FTs. Still think that he is on a DAJ trajectory.

(07-10-2023, 12:07 PM)mvossman Wrote: Agree that we should not be spending a first on Dort.  He is more aggressive offensively than Grant, but much less efficient.  I think I like Williams better.

Disagree on saving the first for a center.  We just spent a first on a center.  I want to see what we have in Lively before I spend our remaining assets on another center.

(07-10-2023, 01:11 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: If this is just some combo of THJ, McGee and maybe some 2nds, I’m into it. Hard.

If it’s a 1st, especially with the ultra light or nonexistent  protections that pick almost has to have, I’m going to be pretty blue.

(07-10-2023, 01:00 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Put it this way, if I told you on June 1st the Mavs would be getting 2 FRP prospects (one a switchable defensive center and a 6'8 defensive maestro), Richaun Holmes, Grant Williams, Clint Capela, Seth Curry, and retained Kyrie on as realistic of a team friendly short term contract as can be that is cheaper than FVV

And all it cost was THJ, Reggie, McGee, Bertans, 1 pick swap and a 2027 first, would that frame your outlook any differently?

(07-10-2023, 01:12 PM)omahen Wrote: I don't think 2 SRP brings are anywhere close. I would seek solution in getting something more than just Capela for that 2027 FRP. Toronto or Atlanta can send us lottery protected pick, for example. Or perhaps we like one of their youngsters, that are not getting minutes.

(07-10-2023, 01:03 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Usually you hate dinosaur bigs. What´s the difference when it comes to Capela. i see a guy that already lost some of his foot speed. Cannot really defend in space. Declined badly as a rim protector. Cannot shoot FTs. Still think that he is on a DAJ trajectory.

(07-10-2023, 10:50 AM)mvossman Wrote: There is some truth to this, but if you told me I could get a center that can provide a positive impact for 15-20 minutes a game in the regular season, but will more limited in the playoffs for one million over the min, I would take it.  That is not even taking into account the character aspect of it.

(07-10-2023, 01:11 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: If this is just some combo of THJ, McGee and maybe some 2nds, I’m into it. Hard.

If it’s a 1st, especially with the ultra light or nonexistent  protections that pick almost has to have, I’m going to be pretty blue.

(07-10-2023, 01:22 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: I have precisely the same opinion of Capela.  He's a Brontosaurus.  Hard pass.  Anyone who thinks otherwise watched few to no ATL games last year.

(07-10-2023, 01:20 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Maybe…on the other hand, THJ is a good player who I can see having a little alllure for EITHER of the teams involved, and it’s possible that simply finding a parking spot for Capella’s salary really is an obstacle that must be overcome.

This is a case where a good negotiator can make a difference, imho.

(07-10-2023, 01:24 PM)mvossman Wrote: That's where I'm at.  Terrible use of resources if it touches the first or any of the young guys.  But otherwise I'm good with it.  Not sure what we are going to do with Holmes.  We would have too many bigs on the roster at that point, even with McGee going out (who never really counted).

(07-10-2023, 01:25 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Well, at least you’re open to other people’s opinions. 

The good news is that even if you’re only partially correct, that detracts from the idea that the Mavs can’t get him without ‘27.

I’m sorry, but setting aside the debate on what Capella has left, getting him for THJ and McGee has to be viewed as a win, given where the Mavs are right now. If that 1st is in the mix I agree with you. Hard pass.

(07-10-2023, 01:30 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: I don't know.

I definitely see the concerns about Capela falling off and 2027 being a lot. But at the same time it's hard to imagine a better fitting center next to Luka for next season for the cost and that is actually available. We'd also be getting off of McGee's deal too, which in and of itself is worth roughly ~2 2nd rounders in terms of cost.

In terms of money, THJ almost has to be going to TOR because ATL doesn't have any other contracts that can match THJ's money right now. Bogdan can only be aggregated in September. So with that, Mavs are getting off of 24 mil and are getting back 20.6. TOR is getting off of 38 mil and is getting back either 43 mil (Hunter+Bey+THJ). ATL is getting off of 45.2 mil and is getting back 43.6 mil (Pascal+McGee).

If anything, the only other additions that make sense would be on the small scale. Who fits that? In order to avoid sending a first, are the Mavs inclined to eat OPJr and/or Thad Young? Do the Hawks instead eat OPJ to avoid having to send multiple firsts for a guy like Siakam on an expiring deal?

To try and make sending a first easier on the Mavs, can ATL tip the Mavs a guy like AJ Griffin? Griffin's salary fits perfectly into the rest of the Mavs TPE and he fits the youth movement and fills a needed position.

Putting it together:
TOR: Hunter+Bey+THJ+1st from ATL+2027 from DAL+2nds
ATL: Siakam+McGee+OPJ
DAL: Capela+Griffin

This deal keeps the Mavs roughly exactly where they are in terms of roster salary, only increasing it slightly by 700k...

Does this make sending 2027 more palatable?

(07-10-2023, 01:22 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Yeah I agree with that, too. It´s just that he has been our starting center for years now. As long as you don´t try to selll me that this center by committee should be the end game of the re-structuring process, because Dwight Powell has so fine advanced stats,  we are good. It´s time to get a center that can impact rebounding, shotblocking, rim-protection and/or has some offensive skil-set. If the trade is not there right away. Fine. Just don´t come around to "we are really fine with Powell, cause RAPTOR this".