(07-09-2023, 10:20 PM)speedkilz88 Wrote: Adrian Wojnarowski
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The 76ers are matching Paul Reed’s three-year, $23M offer sheet with the Jazz, sources tell ESPN. Per sheet’s terms, Sixers must guarantee last two years of Reed’s deal if they win the opening round of playoffs this season.

(07-09-2023, 11:53 PM)F Gump Wrote: It seems quite possible the Mavs weighed both trade demands and salary demands, and then that led them to opt for G Will over PJW. G Will cost a swap (not an unprotected 1st) and 4 yr 54M (rather than potentially 4 yr 77M). That's a huge difference on both fronts and they matter.

(07-09-2023, 11:01 PM)F Gump Wrote: Let's work with the THJ + 2nd concept to see what it looks like.

If CHA intends to keep Oubre or his rights (and they seemed to like what he gave them last season), 

(07-10-2023, 12:19 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: A suggestion was made in the Discord chat about trading with the Lakers for Vanderbilt. That would go a long way toward quelling my disappointment that the Mavs won't go get PJ... although I am still concerned about the Mavs having enough reliable scoring if THJ is outgoing, and PJ would address that in ways Vandy does not. In any event, even with a Vandy trade, we'd still be short a starting center (the current platoon isn't good enough given Lively's learning curve) and a third playmaker (Seth is great as a third playmaker for most teams, but not as a second when Kyrie takes his annual vacation).

(07-10-2023, 12:20 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I’m not sure that is true about Oubre.  According to Jake Fischer, he’s only drawing interest at the minimum.  No Oubre hold means no BYC for Charlotte and much easier trade matching at a lower number (which is also the number Stein has reported).

(07-09-2023, 11:01 PM)F Gump Wrote: One potential issue with PJW would be the contract it would take. Or maybe not, depending on your view of his worth.

Let's work with the THJ + 2nd concept to see what it looks like.

If CHA intends to keep Oubre or his rights (and they seemed to like what he gave them last season), the snt match for PJW gets tricky because of Base Year issues. The smallest number you could pay him in that swap would be a starting salary of $20,795,456. If you're keeping score, that does land the Mavs under the tax line by almost $2M.

If you did max-declining salaries, the deal is either 3 yrs/$59,267,050 or 4 yrs/$76,943,187.

Is he worth that sort of number, in this NBA economy? With a hard cap world, that question really matters, if you don't want to kill your roster-building options ahead. And if you're keeping Green, he's going to have a sizable salary jump next season that has to be part of that equation.

The question to ask is how much of an improvement would he offer, at a position that seems to be fairly well stocked already for both now and the future (Maxi, GWill, Prosper). And he's neither the C nor the wing that the Mavs are looking for, so now how do you navigate those waters?

(07-10-2023, 01:13 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: ....that´s how much improvement the 24 year old Washington would bring.
 

(07-10-2023, 12:45 AM)F Gump Wrote: What do you mean by "the number Stein has reported" since there's no deal to report? I heard he's asking for 4/$80M (which would be a deal that could start at about 18.6M), and which in total would be BIGGER than the numbers I was talking about anyhow.

(07-10-2023, 02:19 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: I saw a tweet showing the centers in the southwest division and it had me inspired to look at every teams predicted starting center if the season started today:


DAL: Powell

Do the Mavs have possibly the worst starting center in the entire league? Does Holmes vault them above anyone that Powell can't?

(07-10-2023, 12:19 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: A suggestion was made in the Discord chat about trading with the Lakers for Vanderbilt. That would go a long way toward quelling my disappointment that the Mavs won't go get PJ... although I am still concerned about the Mavs having enough reliable scoring if THJ is outgoing, and PJ would address that in ways Vandy does not. In any event, even with a Vandy trade, we'd still be short a starting center (the current platoon isn't good enough given Lively's learning curve) and a third playmaker (Seth is great as a third playmaker for most teams, but not as a second when Kyrie takes his annual vacation).

(07-10-2023, 03:22 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: If it makes you feel any better, Holmes was the 16th ranked center by 538’s Raptor WAR measure two seasons ago when he actually played (Powell was 30th last season).  If you look at EPM, Powell’s 83 ranks ahead of 12 of the guys on your list.  I’m not going to argue that Powell is the 18th best center based on that single metric.  

I’ll say what I’ve always said.  Powell is one of the best backup centers in the league.  He has a skill set that is hard to replicate (being consistently in the 90+ percentile as a roll-man means by definition that you are really good at it).  I’ve argued that the team wins when he plays (+6.2 on court last season and +9.3 On-Off) and ultimately the goal here is winning games rather than individual stats.  He shoots incredibly efficiently (which is part of why the advanced stats love him, WS = 5.3).  

The offense is better when he plays (7.5 points) and the defense is better when he plays (-2.4).  Both of those numbers are from 82games.com.   Now, 82games.com shows he gets absolutely brutalized by his direct opponent at center.  The dichotomy between getting abused and still winning is part of what makes Powell so difficult to grade.  Same goes for rebounding.  He’s terrible at it from a totals standpoint.  But, when he plays the team gets 49.8 percent of all rebounds and when he doesn’t play the team gets 45.5 percent.  BTW, that is much better than the 18/10 guy so many here love (team rebounding goes down when he plays…so does the winning).  I’d love Powell to be flashier and put up better individual numbers.  But the reason he keeps getting minutes is the team does TEAM things better when he is on the court.

(07-09-2023, 11:12 PM)MFFL Wrote: Apparently the Hornets want a good player and a 1st. CBAMavs thinks it would be THJ, Green and a 1st. I don't want him that bad.

https://twitter.com/CBAMavs/status/1678221164953387010

(07-10-2023, 05:23 AM)surfpuckmd Wrote: I agree that Dwight Powell is a winning player and appreciate this defense of him.  I have similar thoughts about Tim Hardaway Jr. and I don’t understand why the Mavericks now seem desperate to trade him.

(07-10-2023, 12:24 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: I like Vanderbilt, too. Same problem as PJW, at this point. It’s no longer a hole that demands the solving at the cost of acquiring him. Also, not sure he’s available.

(07-09-2023, 11:53 PM)F Gump Wrote: It seems quite possible the Mavs weighed both trade demands and salary demands, and then that led them to opt for G Will over PJW. G Will cost a swap (not an unprotected 1st) and 4 yr 54M (rather than potentially 4 yr 77M). That's a huge difference on both fronts and they matter.

(07-10-2023, 12:24 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: I like Vanderbilt, too. Same problem as PJW, at this point. It’s no longer a hole that demands the solving at the cost of acquiring him. Also, not sure he’s available.