(07-09-2023, 03:44 PM)RoyTarpleysGhost Wrote: It’s not just about numbers. Kyrie has never had to carry a franchise. Couldn’t be the man in Cleveland. Couldn’t handle the pressure in Boston. Basically had multiple meltdowns in Brooklyn. There’s no way Kyrie is in my NBA top 20. Look at what he got traded for. You can’t separate the issues from the player.

(07-09-2023, 01:52 PM)mvossman Wrote: It would be a PF guarding Lebron (probably Williams with some Omax).  I think your concerns is why we tried to get Thybulle.  He would provide another point of attack defender and somebody that could guard George.  If we had managed that, it would make sense to try to send Timmy out.  As it is right now, I think we would be stretched a little thin if we ship out Timmy for a non-wing.  If we are replacing Tim, you could make an argument for DFS or O'neal.  Isaac is a different conversation.  If you ended up trading Tim for a center, then I think you go get Derrick Jones Jr.

(07-09-2023, 07:30 AM)F Gump Wrote: Thanks. And BTW, there may be almost $2M more in room now under the tax line than we thought. When the deal was signed, Kyrie's total salary came to 120M, not 126M (the other 6M is incentives), over the 3 years. 

At this point I show the Mavs may be tracking towards about 160.5M, almost 5M below the tax line. And that assumes they pay McGee his entire salary rather than erase it or minimize it somehow.

(07-09-2023, 02:20 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: See that´s what I mean. Booker just up 34/7/5/2/1 on nearly 60/50/90 shooting in the play-offs, and people still have a hard time to accept that he´s alot closer to Luka than Irving. There is a reason the Suns have lost to the eventual champions in the two of the last three play-offs and it´s not CP3 or Durant, while Kyrie´s teams never got to two wins in the 2nd round.

Players better than Kyrie
 
...and a few other depending how much emphasis you want to put on defense (Adebayo/Brown).

One thing is unquestionable. If they want any chance to make it into and out of the 1st round, Kyrie better play like a top 20 player next season.

(07-09-2023, 02:20 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: See that´s what I mean. Booker just up 34/7/5/2/1 on nearly 60/50/90 shooting in the play-offs, and people still have a hard time to accept that he´s alot closer to Luka than Irving. There is a reason the Suns have lost to the eventual champions in the two of the last three play-offs and it´s not CP3 or Durant, while Kyrie´s teams never got to two wins in the 2nd round.

Players better than Kyrie

Jokic
Embiid
Giannis
Doncic
Curry
Booker
Edwards
Tatum
Butler
Leonard
Lillard
Davis
LeBron
Durant

arguably

Morant
Mitchell
Brunson
Fox
Sabonis
Murray
Bridges
 
...and a few other depending how much emphasis you want to put on defense (Adebayo/Brown).

One thing is unquestionable. If they want any chance to make it into and out of the 1st round, Kyrie better play like a top 20 player next season.

(07-09-2023, 06:11 PM)khaled1987 Wrote: Looking at the list, it kind off support my opinion that Kyrie is more of a top 30 player, somewhere around 23-27 maybe.
But better and ranking is very subjective,  not just for different opinions and criteria, but also due to different role.
There is probably 25+ players that I would take to build around a team,but that list shrink significantly once I am looking for a 2nd option. His only concern in that regard is defense, an area I am not the best one to judge btw, and that is a bit of an issue for Luka as he isn't best defender either, unless he is really motivated

(07-09-2023, 01:10 PM)F Gump Wrote: Robinson has remained under full MIA control ever since he signed a 2-way with them in Dec 2022. They gave him a qualifying offer in June, making him RFA, then converted that to a standard NBA deal (with limited guarantees) in July. He's part of the MIA development pipeline.

Yurtseven is a UFA, however. Not sure why MIA did not give him a QO , but they didn't.

While we can wish for the Mavs to benefit from MIA leftovers and castaways (if there are any), you make a great point that the better solution would be to create a DAL development pipeline. Hopefully they are working on that, as the Mavs work in that area has been anemic for years.

(07-09-2023, 06:51 PM)myconsumerclub Wrote: pretty sure they left him open to free agency for a few weeks probably because they needed cap space and felt like nobody would move on him

(07-09-2023, 06:45 PM)BigDirk41 Wrote: Kyrie only top 30? There is no way in hell that he's not a top 20 player both with skill and production. He's around 12-13 in my opinion. Funny that we are trashing our own player. He's not a superstar if you guys think he's 20-30.

(07-09-2023, 08:06 PM)Smitty Wrote: Any interest in a THJ for DFS swap, even if it cost 2 SRP’s? It would keep Mavs below the tax line this year but adds a year past the THJ money. 

I’d only like him in a bench role behind Green. I’m sure the locker room would love to have him back though, especially Luka.

(07-09-2023, 07:44 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: IMO Curry and Hardy make THJ redundant.  I'm all about trading him for a MUCH higher need in the frontcourt.  Bojan is that.

(07-09-2023, 08:37 PM)F Gump Wrote: I don't see any reason to add the extra body.

I would do THJ for DFS, but don't see the reason for the picks unless the Mavs are getting them. THJ may be the better player there.

If they want 2 picks, I would give them if they would do
THJ-McGee for
DFS-Claxton

(07-09-2023, 08:37 PM)F Gump Wrote: I don't see any reason to add the extra body.

I would do THJ for DFS, but don't see the reason for the picks unless the Mavs are getting them. THJ may be the better player there.

If they want 2 picks, I would give them if they would do
THJ-McGee for
DFS-Claxton

(07-09-2023, 07:44 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: IMO Curry and Hardy make THJ redundant.  I'm all about trading him for a MUCH higher need in the frontcourt.  Bojan is that.

(07-09-2023, 08:58 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: DFS’s best position was undersized 4. The Mavs have 2-3 guys who can play there now. I love DFS, but feel THJ is objectively more valuable to the Mavs as currently constructed.