(07-09-2023, 10:21 AM)mvossman Wrote: Not excited if that is the route to get off Timmy.  I'm skeptical that Detroit does it, but Bojan is 34 and he has the look of a guy that is starting to fall of a cliff.  I'm guessing in a year Timmy's contract will look better.

(07-09-2023, 10:45 AM)myconsumerclub Wrote: Orlando Robinson a center I think I suggested taking a look at before free agency started is now officially a mistake we made this offseason by not trying to take him away from Miami when they left him open to our getting him as they made him an unrestricted free agent.

(07-09-2023, 11:39 AM)Smitty Wrote: I think there’s zero chance the Mavs organization doesn’t think they’re “contenders” with 2 of the best 10 players in the league.

(07-09-2023, 01:10 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: Regarding Hardaway it will be interesting to see what happens with him.  I was thinking Hardy would be our sixth man this year....and be good in that role.  If Hardaway and Curry are both here, I will probably need to change that opinion.   I do think SF is a worry.   Not that I don't hope Green will take another step this year, but do you feel confident in him in a playoff series against Paul George or Lebron?   I am not sure if it is wise to count on that for him yet.  

Taking salary length and size out of it, I wonder who you choose over the following:

Hardaway or Gordon Hayward
Hardaway or Bojan
Hardaway or DFS
Hardaway or Royce O'neal
Hardaway or Jonathan Isaac

I am not sure Hardaway gets any of those (probably with the exception of Isaac), but I wonder if you think any are a better fit (salary aside)

(07-09-2023, 01:49 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: The idea that Kyrie is a top 10 player is pretty wild.

(07-09-2023, 01:49 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: The idea that Kyrie is a top 10 player is pretty wild.

(07-09-2023, 12:16 PM)myconsumerclub Wrote: Especially when you see teams that are trying to upgrade the center position and how they are doing it.  The MBT simply ignore that need as if we are somehow okay because we got the right people. 

We just resigned a bum like Powell and did so while we have no real starter in place but somehow a guy who has not been given any meaningful minutes at center in years is somehow a find that we should look forward to letting play the 5 for us and he is only 6'8. 

This teams ownership is mentally defective in very obvious ways.

Azabuike Robinson Yurtseven Huff and many others with legit size are and where there for us to take a look at in free agency for next to nothing. 

Robinson was a free agent and he was resigned by his old team so they left him open and probably thought that they would resign him later but hey they probably feel it would be safe to leave him unrestricted for a week or so because they know that most owners in this league see someone getting made an unrestricted free agent and right away they assume that the player is probably crap and not worth being looked at since why else would they make them unrestricted.

LOL I think it is hilarious that the Heat just trolled the entire league and showed how totally clueless they all are.

(07-09-2023, 02:07 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Wild is a bit of an overstatement, I went team by team and counted roughly 12 that are probably better (I put Tatum over him because I know I’m biased against Tatum). To me he lands in the Mitchell/Harden/Booker range around top 15, but there are a lot of younger guys right on the older guys heels.

(07-09-2023, 02:07 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Wild is a bit of an overstatement, I went team by team and counted roughly 12 that are probably better (I put Tatum over him because I know I’m biased against Tatum). To me he lands in the Mitchell/Harden/Booker range around top 15, but there are a lot of younger guys right on the older guys heels.

(07-09-2023, 02:20 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Players better than Kyrie

Jokic
Embiid
Giannis
Doncic
Curry
Booker
Edwards
Tatum
Butler
Leonard
Lillard
Davis
LeBron
Durant

arguably

Morant
Mitchell
Brunson
Fox
Sabonis
Murray
Bridges

(07-09-2023, 02:20 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: See that´s what I mean. Booker just up 34/7/5/2/1 on nearly 60/50/90 shooting in the play-offs, and people still have a hard time to accept that he´s alot closer to Luka than Irving. There is a reason the Suns have lost to the eventual champions in the two of the last three play-offs and it´s not CP3 or Durant, while Kyrie´s teams never got to two wins in the 2nd round.

Players better than Kyrie

Jokic
Embiid
Giannis
Doncic
Curry
Booker
Edwards
Tatum
Butler
Leonard
Lillard
Davis
LeBron
Durant

arguably

Morant
Mitchell
Brunson
Fox
Sabonis
Murray
Bridges
 
...and a few other depending how much emphasis you want to put on defense (Adebayo/Brown).

One thing is unquestionable. If they want any chance to make it into and out of the 1st round, Kyrie better play like a top 20 player next season.

(07-09-2023, 12:16 PM)myconsumerclub Wrote: Azabuike Robinson Yurtseven Huff and many others with legit size are and where there for us to take a look at in free agency for next to nothing. 

(07-09-2023, 02:20 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I think Booker took a step over the past couple of years that has him clearly a level above Kyrie, but those other two are good comps, imo.

(07-09-2023, 03:30 PM)DallasMaverick Wrote: Satnam Singh had legit size.

slow (0.5 metres per year (20 in/year). 

(07-09-2023, 03:31 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I waffled on him as well as Tatum, I put one in and one out, but I am biased against both. I just don’t think either has “it”. It’s not unreasonable to me to put both ahead either.

(07-09-2023, 03:34 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Moved like a glacier, too.

Glacial motion can be fast (up to 30 metres per day (98 ft/d) or slow (0.5 metres per year (20 in/year). 

(07-09-2023, 03:34 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Oh man, you must be biased against Tatum if that's even a thought. I mean, I get what you don't like about him, but he's the focal point of a team that feels like it's in either the finals or the ECF every year. 

He's gonna have a rough time this season, however, now that they're getting Porzingis'd.

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Wow, so juuuuuuuust a little faster than Boban. That IS slow!

(07-09-2023, 03:00 PM)Jakeospikez Wrote: Getting into these types of discussions is pretty dumb but you can't definitively say Lillard is better than Kyrie. Kyrie is a better ball handler and finisher at the rim. Has a higher career EFG%. Lillard hits tougher jump shots but Kyrie is great at that too. I don't see what would make anyone say Lillard is definitely better than Kyrie other than a person being biased against Kyrie and/or off the court stuff.

(07-09-2023, 03:44 PM)RoyTarpleysGhost Wrote: It’s not just about numbers. Kyrie has never had to carry a franchise. Couldn’t be the man in Cleveland. Couldn’t handle the pressure in Boston. Basically had multiple meltdowns in Brooklyn. There’s no way Kyrie is in my NBA top 20. Look at what he got traded for. You can’t separate the issues from the player.

(07-09-2023, 03:34 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Oh man, you must be biased against Tatum if that's even a thought. I mean, I get what you don't like about him, but he's the focal point of a team that feels like it's in either the finals or the ECF every year. 

He's gonna have a rough time this season, however, now that they're getting Porzingis'd.

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Wow, so juuuuuuuust a little faster than Boban. That IS slow!