(07-08-2023, 11:59 PM)Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo Wrote: I'm probably like Top 5 in this board in my support for CWood.
But even I do not want him back.
His time here is over, doesn't matter who's fault it is now.
All I want to know now is if there is any possibility of CWood signed-and-traded.
If the answer is NONE, then I hope everyone moves on and forget about the guy.

Edit: I want Kidd out of here too, not because of how he handled CWood, but mainly of how he coached (or didn't coached?), and his inane comments during the whole of last season. Kidd was a major issue last season, and would continue to be, even with an improved team.

(07-09-2023, 12:43 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: What everyone is saying is that (if you ask the Mavs, at least) an empty roster spot is a better alternative to Wood.

From your POV, how do reconcile the obvious lack of interest from any team to employ him?

(07-08-2023, 11:59 PM)Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo Wrote: I'm probably like Top 5 in this board in my support for CWood.
But even I do not want him back.
His time here is over, doesn't matter who's fault it is now.
All I want to know now is if there is any possibility of CWood signed-and-traded.
If the answer is NONE, then I hope everyone moves on and forget about the guy.

Edit: I want Kidd out of here too, not because of how he handled CWood, but mainly of how he coached (or didn't coached?), and his inane comments during the whole of last season. Kidd was a major issue last season, and would continue to be, even with an improved team.

(07-08-2023, 01:51 PM)speedkilz88 Wrote: David Lord
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We won't know details of DAL-BOS-SA until that trade is completed and executed. Apparently any or all of the 3 teams are exploring ways to add to it (thus the delay) which means its final outcome of who gets what is still up in the air.

(07-09-2023, 02:10 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I wonder if Boston is lying in wait for the Miami/Portland negotiations to break down.  Maybe the extra $12.5mm spread with GWill outgoing is what facilitates Brown for Lillard.  It misses by about $1.3mm meaning Boston adds a minimum or asks Dallas to pay Williams just a bit more (and maybe we keep one of the 2nds to help them out?).  Dallas has room to do this and stay under the tax.


Unrelated:  Dalton Trigg posted a trade idea (I don’t think it is based on any sourcing, just an idea) that has THJ being swapped for Bojan B.  It gets Hardaway to Detroit and fulfills the Mav’s long held interest in Bogdanovic.  Dalton complicates this by adding McGee to the deal and has Dallas giving up three second rounders.  Of course, you have to have the seconds, which we don’t yet which might be why this hasn’t happened yet.

I kind of wonder if we’d be better off with Bojan coming off the bench.  Having someone like him handling distribution duties for the second unit would allow Luka and Kyrie to play together more as they wouldn’t be absolutely necessary to a second unit that had Bojan and Hardy

Holmes. Lively.  Powell
           
GWill.    Maxi    Prosper
           
Green.  Bojan.  Lawson

Luka.    Hardy.  Seth

Irving.              Exum

(07-09-2023, 03:14 AM)Dundalis Wrote: A big and/or defensive wing IMO should be the minimum we return in any trade/s from here on. Bojan simply doesn't move the needle enough over THJ IMO, plus he's older. If we make this move, plus another to acquire that big or another versatile defensive wing, then ok, but as the final trade of the offseason, I would not bother with this, certainly not giving up additional assets like the second rounders which could be valuable in a more pressing acquisitions.

(07-09-2023, 03:24 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I’ll respectfully disagree.  This team would be under the LT (an important factor for future spending).  Yes, we need the things you mention (though I think OMax supplies the defensive wing part in pretty short order).  Yes, Bojan is older.  But he’s better and most importantly he’s on a very friendly contract.  Moving off of McGee and Hardaway’s guaranteed money would be big.

There is a here and now element to team building and there is an element that looks at the next few opportunities to make moves and tries to set us up well for those.  If you can get the better player AND set your payroll up better for future flexibility, that is a HUGE win.  Our second unit needs some playmaking and Bojan would provide that from a position other than the one Hardy plays.

Looked at another way, If I said before the summer that we got Lively, OMax, Holmes, Grant W. Bogdanovic, Seth and Exum for #10, THJ, Reggie, McGee and a 2030 pick swap.  Would you have signed up?  I’m celebrating what we have (or would have).  We will never arrive at a place where the roster feels done.

(07-08-2023, 10:23 PM)BigDirk41 Wrote: I don't think there's any chance they trade him unless he demands a trade. Nico and Kidd wanted and like Kyrie. They all 3 get along. Kyrie is here to stay.

(07-09-2023, 03:24 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I’ll respectfully disagree.  This team would be under the LT (an important factor for future spending).  Yes, we need the things you mention (though I think OMax supplies the defensive wing part in pretty short order).  Yes, Bojan is older.  But he’s better and most importantly he’s on a very friendly contract.  Moving off of McGee and Hardaway’s guaranteed money would be big.
There is a here and now element to team building and there is an element that looks at the next few opportunities to make moves and tries to set us up well for those.  If you can get the better player AND set your payroll up better for future flexibility, that is a HUGE win.  Our second unit needs some playmaking and Bojan would provide that from a position other than the one Hardy plays.
Looked at another way, If I said before the summer that we got Lively, OMax, Holmes, Grant W. Bogdanovic, Seth and Exum for #10, THJ, Reggie, McGee and a 2030 pick swap.  Would you have signed up?  I’m celebrating what we have (or would have).  We will never arrive at a place where the roster feels done.
Edit:  BTW, I think we all need to recalibrate our thinking toward the tax line vs. the first apron.  I think FG called this one correctly.  If there isn’t someone worth going over the LT, I doubt we will.  Right now, I don’t see that player.  Even if it was just THJ for Bojan, we’d be snuggled up just under the tax.

(07-09-2023, 03:31 AM)Dundalis Wrote: If a team puts in a good offer for him (I could see a team like the Clippers doing just that), I think he's out of here. The reason I was against any 4 or 5 year deal from the start, is because you need Kyrie Irving to be tradeable. Pretending like he's not an injury prone 31 year old with genuine and team distracting off court issues is sticking your head in the sand. This team has tanked it's average age, when simply didn't have to. They will hopefully continue to with the next trade they make. The Mavs could have very easily offloaded the assets they had this offseason for true win now pieces in their prime years, but did not. They risked their biggest tradeable asset primarily on youth. If they had real (any) interest in Kyrie's specific timeline, they would not have done this IMO.

They have now put the bulk of the team's core assets on the same timeline as Luka which has rarely been the case so far. That doesn't mean Kyrie is an auto trade, but what it clearly indicates is Kyrie is expendable. You want Kyrie here long term, you sign him to 4/5 years and go get win now pieces with your best assets, not invest in youth, and sign him to a shorter term contract that will become very tradeable within 6-12 months if Kyrie performs well.

(07-09-2023, 06:23 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: I think any trade proposed for Detroit you need to consider how it makes Detroit better now.  From what I understand, they do not have a playoff of get lost mandate to the front office. But they do have pressure to be a lot better this year.  So I don't see Hardaway as a better fit.  Especially as they have Burks who is sort of comparable toTim. 

I don't even think a 27 first moves the needle at this point.  As that front office may not be there in the next year or so.    I think Bojan could be an option at the trade deadline or next offseason though.

(07-09-2023, 03:24 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Edit:  BTW, I think we all need to recalibrate our thinking toward the tax line vs. the first apron.  I think FG called this one correctly.  If there isn’t someone worth going over the LT, I doubt we will.  Right now, I don’t see that player.  Even if it was just THJ for Bojan, we’d be snuggled up just under the tax.

(07-09-2023, 07:30 AM)F Gump Wrote: Thanks. And BTW, there may be almost $2M more in room now under the tax line than we thought. When the deal was signed, Kyrie's total salary came to 120M, not 126M (the other 6M is incentives), over the 3 years. 

(07-09-2023, 07:08 AM)Winter Wrote: I feel certain they re-signed Kyrie because they want to see how a second stud can play with Luca-Mavs. The front office has whiffed on getting a true second star for the last 4 years, so this is their opportunity to see if it works.

I don't think there's any trickery here. It is exactly what they said they wanted for years.