(07-07-2023, 01:11 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Dude, Claxton is the real deal. Reminds me of Marcus Camby, who was born about 2pm years too early.

(07-07-2023, 01:11 PM)Okstate819 Wrote: It could be, but it also means on some level those teams had interest in acquiring him. Something could be revisited.

(07-07-2023, 01:16 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Maaaaaybe a bigger deal, including Hardaway, for LaVine? 

(07-07-2023, 12:00 PM)mvossman Wrote: Is there a vet legit starting center that would be available without spending one of those assets?  I'm not aware of one.  

If they don't make another move, I anticipate Holmes starting.  If he is anything like he was before the Sacto shit show, then between Holmes, Maxi and Lively developmental minutes there won't anything left for Powell.  Its possible he is our 4th center.

(07-07-2023, 01:22 PM)F Gump Wrote: Let me offer two items that will mess with the thinking because they lead in opposite ways - but where either or both might be very much in play right now.

1 We are looking for the BEST upgrade possible, and a way to perhaps spend up to the Apron with either some or all of the MLE or by a trade spread. But are the Mavs looking at the numbers for the "next transaction" in a much different way?

If we include the results of the Bullock/GW trade that is still not executed, as well as Curry and Exum (who have not signed yet), and assume RH got his TK, the Mavs have the necessary 14 players and are at about 164.2M. THAT IS BELOW THE TAX LINE, and if the Mavs stay below it, they pay no tax (if they land about 171.5M right below the Apron, the tax bill is about 10M), they help avoid a future repeater tax consequence, as well as Cuban gets fed a share of the tax proceeds (which some estimate will be 20M per team!). Should it surprise us if Cuban is pushing for a tax-free payroll?

If that's a consideration, any moves ahead will need to be salary neutral. Gotta keep that possibility in mind.

2  Or going the other direction, the Bullock/GW trade is still on hold, and within it the Mavs already have a built-in spread available that can be used elsewhere of about $5.43M (which, if used, would land them at about $169.7M).

If they add McGee to the outgoing, they could take back up to another $11.16M salary) and still land at $169.7M total.

Adding THJ instead of McGee enables an incoming salary up to $23.17M and lands the cap under the Apron at about $171.5M, but in a trade for a center, it doesn't send out a center as it seems they must, and Holmes can't be used in combination in that deal. But if traded by himself RH can take back up to $21.3M salary while Mavs land under the Apron at $171.7M.

FWIW the restrictions on using Holmes as part of multiple players packaged to salary match a more expensive salary does go away on Sept 6.

(07-07-2023, 12:37 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I haven’t been mentioning him because I don’t think it’s really possible, but I actually think Siakim is worth coming off one of the young guys and ‘27. Maybe more, if they can free any other draft capital up.

You put Siakim on this team and I believe they’re top 4 in the west. Soooooo much more competent, defensively, and sooooo much more versatile, offensively, than last season.

(07-07-2023, 01:21 PM)RoyTarpleysGhost Wrote: Maxi sparingly at center if other team goes small.

(07-07-2023, 01:26 PM)cow Wrote: Holmes waived his TK.

https://twitter.com/espn_macmahon/status/1677370614334488576

(07-07-2023, 01:21 PM)RoyTarpleysGhost Wrote: 1. Well…the Mavs were willing to give up an unprotected pick swap to acquire Grant Williams. We don’t really know their appetite when it comes to giving up an asset for a center. We do know (if you believe Stein) that the Mavs are not happy with the current center rotation. 

2. I agree with your second point. Right now, I think Holmes is the starter. I think Powell is back to play the JJ Barea role. He will be a mentor/culture guy and energy guy off the bench. 

3. I think the following is the Mavs preferred rotation at center. 

new guy 24 minutes
Holmes 10-12 minutes
Lively 10-12 minutes

Powell will probably get minutes as needed if Lively or Holmes look bad. Maxi sparingly at center if other team goes small.

4. Obviously you guys will be right if we can’t accomplish number 3 but I think there will be extreme disappointment in the organization.

(07-07-2023, 01:22 PM)F Gump Wrote: Let me offer two items that will mess with the thinking because they lead in opposite ways - but where either or both might be very much in play right now.

1 We are looking for the BEST upgrade possible, and a way to perhaps spend up to the Apron with either some or all of the MLE or by a trade spread. But are the Mavs looking at the numbers for the "next transaction" in a much different way?

If we include the results of the Bullock/GW trade that is still not executed, as well as Curry and Exum (who have not signed yet), and assume RH got his TK, the Mavs have the necessary 14 players and are at about 164.2M. THAT IS BELOW THE TAX LINE, and if the Mavs stay below it, they pay no tax (if they land about 171.5M right below the Apron, the tax bill is about 10M), they help avoid a future repeater tax consequence, as well as Cuban gets fed a share of the tax proceeds (which some estimate will be 20M per team!). Should it surprise us if Cuban is pushing for a tax-free payroll?

If that's a consideration, any moves ahead will need to be salary neutral. Gotta keep that possibility in mind.

2  Or going the other direction, the Bullock/GW trade is still on hold, and within it the Mavs already have a built-in spread available that can be used elsewhere of about $5.43M (which, if used, would land them at about $169.7M).

If they add McGee to the outgoing, they could take back up to another $11.16M salary) and still land at $169.7M total.

Adding THJ instead of McGee enables an incoming salary up to $23.17M and lands the cap under the Apron at about $171.5M, but in a trade for a center, it doesn't send out a center as it seems they must, and Holmes can't be used in combination in that deal. But if traded by himself RH can take back up to $21.3M salary while Mavs land under the Apron at $171.7M.

FWIW the restrictions on using Holmes as part of multiple players packaged to salary match a more expensive salary does go away on Sept 6.

(07-07-2023, 01:32 PM)mvossman Wrote: I think Lively gets more minutes than that, if not right away then by mid season.  I think Holmes gets more minutes than that if he bounces back.  I think Maxi has been our best defensive center for years and he allows us to go 5 out, which is particularly useful in the playoffs.  There are plenty of center minutes on this roster right now.

(07-07-2023, 01:16 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I think SOMETHING is going on with PJ, or he’d be signed by now. While I’m almost positive Dallas was involved with those conversations at some point, I’m not sure it makes sense for them now, and there are surely other teams interested, too.

With Chicago, I’m almost 100% sure this was in the past, about Vuc, who some were predicting as a dark horse target for Dallas a couple of weeks back. They’re not trading Caruso, that’s for sure. Maaaaaybe a bigger deal, including Hardaway, for LaVine? I don’t see it though.

(07-07-2023, 12:19 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: What purpose?  Maybe because we have 3 Cs in Holmes, McGee, and Powell who aren't starting calibre; two rookies in Lively and OMax; an often injured Maxi who played under 1k minutes last year; with G.Williams being our only legit frontcourt starter.

Context is Holmes is so bad that he was moved only in SAC giving up a FRP in OMax.  Holmes << Bertans

(07-07-2023, 01:35 PM)Smitty Wrote: I’d love a world where:

Grant 32/OMax 16 at the 4
Holmes 18/Maxi 18/Lively 12 at the 5

(07-07-2023, 01:37 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: If you’re willing to view Powell/Holmes as COMPETITORS for those 18 minutes you list, I think that’s roughly the exact world you’re living in if the season starts tomorrow.

(07-07-2023, 01:11 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Dude, Claxton is the real deal. Reminds me of Marcus Camby, who was born about 20 years too early.

(07-07-2023, 01:37 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: If you’re willing to view Powell/Holmes as COMPETITORS for those 18 minutes you list, I think that’s roughly the world you’re living in if the season starts tomorrow.