(07-06-2023, 01:19 PM)RoyTarpleysGhost Wrote: ^

I also dont see Holmes or Powell as starting center or Lively or Omax as for sure rotation players.  I think Mavs want to win now if possible.  They're nice prospects to bring along for the future.

(07-06-2023, 01:13 PM)Smitty Wrote: Then what are the Mavs doing, if not making this years squad a contender? I think missing the playoffs, the Kyrie contract and Luka's eventual supermax have all but signaled that they will try everything to be contenders sooner rather than later. The Mavs are now young enough to take the kind of chances (like trading '27 FRP), to make this team as good as it possibly can be. Next year they will have access to more picks. This is the path they've chosen.

(07-06-2023, 12:56 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Maybe we’re overthinking this. Here are some simple thoughts:

1) we know they like to start games with 1-5 spread pick and roll, establishing how the defense will approach that before moving on to counters. I doubt that will EVER change, as long as Luka is the driving force of this team. Lively can do that at a passable level right away, I think.

2) we know they want to play a little more drop coverage and protect the paint/defend the rim better. It’s a stated priority. These are Lively’s strengths, and why he vaulted up draft boards. He’s probably not to his final level on this stuff, but they are his strengths.

3) the biggest issue on defense for young bigs is that they’re foul prone. Assuming that will be an issue with Lively, and that they’re planning to play him at all, would you rather those fouls come at the beginning of halves, or later, when the free throws have a chance to sway momentum?

It’s possible that Lively will ONLY get that McGee stretch in the 2nd quarter and not even play in the second half, I guess. But, I actually wouldn’t be totally shocked if he started the first and third quarters, 3-7 minutes in each, depending on how things go.

(07-06-2023, 01:23 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: Names I think we need to now be going after, albeit the remaining MLE, S&T with Wood outgoing, J.Green, THJ, 2027FRP, and/or the SRPs we have.

P.Reed
P.Achiuwa
PJ.Washington
D.Hunter
Z.Collins
J.Allen
T.Eason
J.Nurkic

(07-06-2023, 01:23 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I think there’s a good chance you’re going to be disappointed. That’s a shame, because I’m elated. They basically stopped doing dumb stuff (so far, don’t want to jinx it). 

I think there’s a 100% chance Omax is in the rotation. I think he’ll be a fan favorite by mid November.

(07-06-2023, 01:23 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I think he’ll be a fan favorite by mid November.

(07-06-2023, 01:23 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: This does make sense, and maybe we’re actually competitive with the tip for a change (I have to admit I have a weird obsession with that). This is actually the DP WCF playoff run role, so it’s not unheard of for the position. I will say, playing with the starters around the league when they are at their most fresh is a pretty big baptism by fire.

(07-06-2023, 01:25 PM)RoyTarpleysGhost Wrote: I mean Josh Green played 11 minutes per game as a rookie.  But he was basically a non factor to winning or losing.  

Every day, Stein is saying the Mavs will upgrade center if they can help it.  The Mavs already tried to trade for Ayton and Capela.  If they were happy with Powell starting and Lively playing backup minutes, what do you make of these reports?

The current roster as it stands might force them to play how you want but I definitely do not think that's what the Mavs would prefer to do.

(07-06-2023, 01:27 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: Lively played only 20mins/game and had entire games where he was invisible.  The kid is RAW.  I would say he's 3 years away from being a starter.  The FO has pretty said so.

(07-06-2023, 01:24 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Paul Reed is interesting, and might be gettable now, after the Bamba signing.

(07-06-2023, 01:24 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: https://twitter.com/flasportsbuzz/status/1677004265510846464?s=20

Barry Jackson (@flasportsbuzz)
News: Regarding report about message to non Heat teams, Lillard's agent, Aaron Goodwin, tells me: "I do what I should for my client. Some teams I did call. Other teams have called me. It's a respectful relationship with most teams. Truthfully, he wants to play in Miami. Period."


I don't understand why Lillard thinks he can just demand Portland to accept a worse offer just because he wants to play there.

Andy Larsen said it best: https://twitter.com/andyblarsen/status/1677007314279342081?s=46&t=4w35gotNXtBJnqxbaL7e9w

Andy Larsen (@andyblarsen)
Respectfully, if Damian Lillard wanted to play in Miami, period, he should not have signed an extension to play for Portland through 2027. Period.

(07-06-2023, 01:27 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Makes even more sense when you consider Powell, at his new salary, as more than appropriate for the “mentor this kid for a couple of years and stay ready in case he needs bailing out of a ton of games” role.

(07-06-2023, 01:37 PM)juanc Wrote: I need to ask how many Duke games have you watced this year? Especially in the 2nd half of the season? Asking just becouse that is exactly what someone who hasn't really watched him(or watched just the highlights) would say..

(07-06-2023, 01:39 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Beautiful retort!

Ya, the quote from McKinley about his discussion with Lively made me think about the 8 picks per possession Powell sets. Other take away from that conversation was hearing that he’s a reluctant scorer, I’d like a little more confidence from him.

(07-06-2023, 01:06 PM)RoyTarpleysGhost Wrote: Maybe that's where we differ.  I think Lively is as raw as Josh Green was and will be brought along just as slowly.  I don't really see how you can look at his college season and think he will impact NBA games right away.  Maybe we'll have a slightly better idea after summer league.  In related news...

"Mavericks" rookies Dereck Lively II and O-Max Prosper doing 1-on-0 workouts, as they are not allowed to join live scrimmages and play in summer league until their respective draft day trades are finalized (via @CallieCaplan)  https://streamable.com/5rnu4j

edit: I guess the Lively deal is official so he can play.  Omax not yet.

(07-06-2023, 01:20 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Not enough impact put on the fact that Green was drafted during the post Covid season, when teams couldn’t operate the way they liked. WAY fewer practices and WAAAAAAAY fewer developmental sessions outside of practice. It was really difficult year to be a rookie, I think. 

Also, Green was the 18th pick, not a lottery pick for a team who tanked the last week because they were hell bent to change up at his position. 

Look, I’m not saying I KNOW how he’s going to do early on, but I do have a feeling they’re going to put him out there some.

(07-06-2023, 01:40 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: I followed Duke closely and saw many games.  Only 20mins/game doesn't lead you to believe he's raw?  The FO said that he wouldn't be contributing a lot.  I think it's a fandom thing to think otherwise.

(07-06-2023, 01:37 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote:

Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote:[url=https://www.mavsboard.com/showthread.php?pid=189496#pid189496][/url]

Names I think we need to now be going after, albeit the remaining MLE, S&T with Wood outgoing, J.Green, THJ, 2027FRP, and/or the SRPs we have.

P.Reed
P.Achiuwa
PJ.Washington
D.Hunter
Z.Collins
J.Allen
T.Eason
J.Nurkic

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Yes.  He kinda fits exactly what we need.