(07-05-2023, 08:55 AM)mvossman Wrote: Timmy for PJ straight up seems a little lite, but there are reasons they have not been able to trade Timmy in the past.  That injury killed his trade value starting with the trade deadline two seasons ago when he was out for the rest of the year.  That also left question marks at the beginning of this last season and his early struggles coming back from injury didn't help.  I will argue that Timmy is at least neutral value right now and PJ on a big contract is potentially neutral in value as well depending on the size of the contract.  The question might not be is THJ worth PJ, it might be how much do we have to pay PJ in that scenario.

(07-05-2023, 10:40 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: https://twitter.com/MavsStan41/status/1676736577655980033

Jo (@MavsStan41)
Nico Harrison is simultaneously making the Mavericks better right now while also going younger …. Bro is having a generational offseason


I still haven't actually processed this offseason. The Mavs??? Being competent????????????????????????

I'm in a bit of state of shock. They managed to trade for Grant Williams, who while wasn't my first choice, obviously fills an incredible need and is better than Bullock through and through. Now they're making a run at Thybulle, and although a longshot, the idea that they've navigated the summer so that they're actually in a position to nab yet another elite wing defender has me at a loss of words. That's before even adding in the masterful draft, where again, although the Lively pick wasn't my first choice, the maneuver of turning #10 and offloading Bertans and getting 2 guys that ideally fill positions of need with upside just made too much sense.

What is actually happening right now??? Anyone else feels the same? I'm elated, but a bit catatonic. I'm hopeful but also skeptical. I have not fully processed this offseason at all.

(07-06-2023, 06:35 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: Yeah, if they don't think Holmes can be a solid stop gap, this is next shoe to drop with or without Thybulle.

Options:

Allen-  We don't have the assets

Ayton- That ship has sailed for now imo

Capella-  Really the perfect fit.  I was against the move back in the draft but would you offer a future first?  Probably not a fit now and Mavs lack the shorter contracts.

Gafford-  Would need to be a third team.   Not good enough to use a future first on.   

Stewart- Not good enough to use a future first on.   Does he provide the rim protection/defense this team is looking for?

Zubac-  I don't see it.   Good contract and Clippers need his role.   

Gobert- I think Minnesota holds on to him for now.   Could be risky if he has another downish season.   Huge money that would probably scare dallas away

Nurkic- Bad contract and his weakness is our weakness

Jonas-  Not worth a future first.  Not sure how we get there.  Also not a rim protector

Precious-  Worth a future first?  Is he ready to play 25 minutes a night?   Probably not worth the first.  Looking for his next contract.

(07-06-2023, 07:45 AM)JamesConway912 Wrote: https://twitter.com/droppingdimes02/status/1676921901661188098?s=46&t=-bN4oD2OLU_Ue80HIM_CZQ

Lillard to MIA according to the twitter account which got some attention lately. 

Would be bad timing in regards to the Thybulle offersheet I’d imagine.

Re Williams: very good pickup. Good 3D forward, decent contract money-wise, I’d like to know which 2nd rounders we’ll get. But the 2030 unprotected pick swap is a steep price, too. You really can’t afford to loose Luka before that now.

(07-06-2023, 07:40 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: I still think Ayton is alive bc of Stein's reporting and the agent connection Bill Duffy who is Grant and Luka's agent. It's been interesting that the reporting on THJ is that Mavs are confident he will be moved which makes me wonder if the Ayton trade is still on the table. Mavs have the ammo to dump McGee elsewhere and that was evidently the hold-up on draft night. So who knows but I still think its a possibility.

(07-06-2023, 08:22 AM)speedkilz88 Wrote: David Lord
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Mavs CAN'T do THJ-Holmes for Ayton without also sending McGee, because as is it requires $3M salary space under the hard cap they don't have.

Ayton's EXTREMELY bloated salary, and so many centers on the roster already, are also obstacles. Can't they do much better for the $?

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I think Gafford should be on the list of a center that would be a good fit for the Mavs (and on mine, he would be at the top).

(07-06-2023, 09:01 AM)BigDirk41 Wrote: I'd be surprised if Ayton is still available with the players they were able to sign.

(07-06-2023, 07:45 AM)JamesConway912 Wrote: https://twitter.com/droppingdimes02/status/1676921901661188098?s=46&t=-bN4oD2OLU_Ue80HIM_CZQ

Lillard to MIA according to the twitter account which got some attention lately. 

Would be bad timing in regards to the Thybulle offersheet I’d imagine.

Re Williams: very good pickup. Good 3D forward, decent contract money-wise, I’d like to know which 2nd rounders we’ll get. But the 2030 unprotected pick swap is a steep price, too. You really can’t afford to loose Luka before that now.

(07-06-2023, 08:11 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: Mavs have maintained their flexibility and even if Thybulle is matched, they don't need to panic if they feel Holmes is a capable stop gap.  If not, they may need to be a tad more aggressive. 

But if he is a capable stop gap you have Hardaway at two more years (1 after the season) and potentially two first round picks next offseason.