(07-05-2023, 12:57 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: Supposedly Stein said the Mavs main interest in Bol Bol at the draft was trying to acquire Orlando's pick #36 in the second round.  Bol Bol was not the primary target.

(07-05-2023, 01:09 PM)F Gump Wrote: If POR isn't going to match, as you say, then "compensation" is not part of the landscspe. You just negotiate an offer sheet, and wait out the day until the ROFR expires.

(07-05-2023, 01:20 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: I hope Portland isn't going to match. There are a lot of reasons not to. As KL pointed out, a full MLE offer is pretty rich for a player like Thybulle (although I don't think is an overpay whatsoever), the fit/development issues as well are another reason. 

But POR could always match and retain the asset. Fewer and fewer teams are letting players just walk for free (ignore the elephant in this sentence, I am NOT alluding to you-know-who). So with that in mind, I assume Portland is going to want a little something in return for not letting Thybulle walk, even if he's overpaid. 

Is it the Mavs 2030 2nd rounder? Wood? Bullock? Who knows. I'm just assuming here.

(07-05-2023, 01:26 PM)MrGoat Wrote: I might need some talking into Thybulle. Always thought he was a bit overrated, and we still need another frontcourt addition unless the plan is to start the post Luka rebuild early and play the rookies a lot

I would have rather tried for Grant Williams because he's bigger and more of a physical presence on top of being a better shooter, although Boston supposedly wants a pick for him in a S&T which makes that trickier. Green might already be better than Thybulle, though

If we sign Bol Bol I'll be a bit happier, kind of surprised Orlando waived him. Makes me wonder if there's something behind the scenes there

(07-05-2023, 01:20 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: I assume Portland is going to want a little something in return for letting Thybulle walk, even if he's overpaid. 

Is it the Mavs 2030 2nd rounder? Wood? Bullock? Who knows. I'm just assuming here.

(07-05-2023, 01:34 PM)MFFL Wrote: That's why I liked the fact the Mavs made this "offer" through the media. Bullock for example would make a lot of sense for them - he could rehab his game a little and be a good asset for Portland at the trade deadline.

And we would still have our MLE for other targets.

(07-05-2023, 01:26 PM)MrGoat Wrote: I might need some talking into Thybulle. 

(07-05-2023, 01:43 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: Didn't realize he only average 2.7 points per game with the Sixers and pretty much lost his minutes.  He did average over 7 for the tanking Blazers.  Still a full MLE is pretty pricey for a team not trying to fill a specific weakness.

And probably most teams don't view him as a starter either due to his weakness on offense.

(07-05-2023, 01:45 PM)Tyler Wrote:

(07-05-2023, 02:19 PM)MrGoat Wrote: His defensive impact in Portland was minimal

(07-05-2023, 02:42 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: What makes you say this?  The Portland fan base online feels otherwise but maybe there's more people on this board who watched the last 22 games of the Dame-less Portland TrailBlazers than I realize....

(07-05-2023, 02:53 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Thybulle’s defense isn’t the problem. There are too many people whom I respect greatly swearing that he’s a defensive difference maker for me to be skeptical about that. But again, Ntilikina made a difference on that end, too. Pushing back against that point with “but Thybulle is so much better than Ntilikina on defense” doesn’t really address the worry. Frank’s D was plenty helpful, and he was on a team that needed defensive help every bit as much as this year’s version will.

Kidd never learned to trust him on the offensive end, so they couldn’t play him. To this point, that has been the same, sad story of Thybulle’s career.

Ntilikina was a good swing at the minimum. Thybulle at the MLE, with raises, for a few years, guaranteed??? Sorry, I’m just not a believer in that level of risk. I’m not as sure about this as I am about some things, but I am telling you there is a very real chance that this dude is completely out of the rotation a year from now and they are having to try to dump his contract.

(07-05-2023, 02:57 PM)MrGoat Wrote: The on court numbers. There's a reason they were fine with giving him big minutes during the tank

Let's just say I trust Josh Green to play good defense without much help a bit more than I trust Thybulle after seeing those numbers. Sure his on ball defense is great which will bring fans to his side, but he's not going to transform your defense