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RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Dame Requests Trade, Wants MIA only. - KillerLeft - 07-05-2023
(07-05-2023, 11:52 AM)F Gump Wrote: What smoke? The trade ideas being floated in this forum?
Well, the Hardaway part is pretty much only from this forum and some of the Mavs-centric podcasts, but I’ve seen Washington to Dallas suggested in some other places. I do think there’s some connection between Dallas and Charlotte involving Charlotte’s interest in Williams. Could be wrong, but I have a feeling.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Dame Requests Trade, Wants MIA only. - Mavs2021 - 07-05-2023
(07-05-2023, 11:42 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: I think the smoke about a deal involving Hardaway and PJ Washington is real.
Let´s hope so.
THJ + McGee + Wood for Washington + Oubre + Mykhailiuk.
Doncic/Hardy/Exum
Irving/Curry/Mykhailiuk
Green/Thybulle/Oubre
Washington/Kleber/Omax
Holmes/Lively/Powell
Mix&match offense/defense, whatever you need.
A+ off-season, though Thybulle will probably be an overpay.Maybe you add a Josh Green teaching fee and then it becomes worth it.
(07-05-2023, 11:54 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: More fun with math…I honestly doubt the 300k will matter to getting Thybulle. Might matter to get Washington.
If Thybulle got the full MLE, we have a slight issue of about $300k according to Spotrac once we have a 14 man roster in place. So, something would have to give.
The PJ cap hold is $17.4mm and they need to operate under the cap to avoid BYC (they currently have $18mm in space). Sending THJ at $17.9 for PJ starting at $17.4 fixes our $300k issue with a dollar or two to spare. It fixes the BYC issue on PJ and it meets the $18mm/year annual salary Stein now says PJ is seeking.
One issue, Charlotte would no longer have access to the full MLE as they would be operating under the cap. Do we see any free agents better than THJ who are going to Charlotte this summer for $12.4mm?
I think there is a chance Dallas&Charlotte have already agreed on the Washington/THJ core deal (if it exists) and are now discussing side dishes like McGee, Wood, Holmes, Oubre, Mykhailiuk, maybe Hayward.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Dame Requests Trade, Wants MIA only. - DallasMaverick - 07-05-2023
(07-05-2023, 11:42 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: I think it will be the full MLE.
I’d say that’s too high, except there’s been some crazy contracts signed in the past week.
But I’m trying to readjust my thinking. Is he a better player than DoeDoe?
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Dame Requests Trade, Wants MIA only. - Winter - 07-05-2023
(07-05-2023, 11:56 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Let´s hope so.
THJ + McGee + Wood for Washington + Oubre + Mykhailiuk.
Doncic/Hardy/Exum
Irving/Curry/Mykhailiuk
Green/Thybulle/Oubre
Washington/Kleber/Omax
Holmes/Lively/Powell
Mix&match offense/defense, whatever you need.
A+ off-season, though Thybulle will probably be an overpay.Maybe you add a Josh Green teaching fee and then it becomes worth it.
We're now doing deals where Bullock just vanishes.
That's one way to get rid of a contract.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Dame Requests Trade, Wants MIA only. - Mavs2021 - 07-05-2023
(07-05-2023, 12:00 PM)Winter Wrote: We're now doing deals where Bullock just vanishes.
That's one way to get rid of a contract.
See there is so much depth, I even forgot Bullock. Crazy.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Dame Requests Trade, Wants MIA only. - StrandedOnBeauboisHill - 07-05-2023
(07-05-2023, 11:49 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: If the Mavericks are able to add PJ Washington to the roster after the draft night they had and the better-than-expected Kyrie contract, it will be difficult for me to dislike this off-season.
Not to mention getting off bad money in the process as well. If we are able to add PJ via S&T and move off McGee before the start of the season then I think the full MLE for Thybulle is justified (I'm with you that this is an overpay otherwise).
If we went into the season with a better roster and our "bad contracts" being owned by someone who just started an all star game (please just keep your head down for two seasons Kyrie) and 12M for a few seasons to a 26 year old who just recently made an all defense team, I would argue it would be our best offseason in...12 years?
We'll see what happens though.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Dame Requests Trade, Wants MIA only. - Chicagojk - 07-05-2023
Most RFA offers typically is an overpay. If you have to overpay, might as well do it for someone who strengthens your weakness. It doesn't solve our major need though so I imagine they are working on a trade for that.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Dame Requests Trade, Wants MIA only. - Tyler - 07-05-2023
Another thing that could work in the Mavs favor here is the timing of the Dame discussions. Unless Portland finalizes that deal before Friday, limiting their trade flexibility by matching an offer sheet for Thybulle may not be in their best interests.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Dame Requests Trade, Wants MIA only. - KillerLeft - 07-05-2023
(07-05-2023, 12:02 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: Most RFA offers typically is an overpay. If you have to overpay, might as well do it for someone who strengthens your weakness. It doesn't solve our major need though so I imagine they are working on a trade for that.
Agree with this, in principle.
If you can play the guy down the stretch of a playoff game, this level of overpay is fine with me for the reasons you mention above.
I’m just not positive he’ll be playable when they need him to be.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Dame Requests Trade, Wants MIA only. - StrandedOnBeauboisHill - 07-05-2023
(07-05-2023, 12:04 PM)Tyler Wrote: Another thing that could work in the Mavs favor here is the timing of the Dame discussions. Unless Portland finalizes that deal before Friday, limiting their trade flexibility by matching an offer sheet for Thybulle may not be in their best interests.
Ya really hoping the chaos bodes well for us.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Dame Requests Trade, Wants MIA only. - Okstate819 - 07-05-2023
Not saying I would do this but one way to ensure Por doesn't match would be to take Nurkic off their hands as part of a S&T for Matisse. That contract is one of the worst in the league imo.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Dame Requests Trade, Wants MIA only. - RDB - 07-05-2023
(07-05-2023, 12:02 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: Most RFA offers typically is an overpay. If you have to overpay, might as well do it for someone who strengthens your weakness. It doesn't solve our major need though so I imagine they are working on a trade for that.
I agree…and the reality is that any move we make with our current assets will likely be an overpay.
We don’t need to blow things up but we also don’t need to delude ourselves into thinking we are anything other than a early round exit. Put a playoff capable team on the floor. Accept the fact that though we will likely have to overpay today, that doesn’t mean it will look like an overpay in a year. IMO, the most likely scenario for that to happen is to take a defensive player with unrealized offensive potential and let him experience the Luka effect.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Dame Requests Trade, Wants MIA only. - Jason Terry - 07-05-2023
I think it could mean Green plus THJ for PJ. Net return of PJ plus Thybulle for Green is good value for us.
Hopefully I’m wrong and it’s a negotiation tactic. Swap Reggie for Thybulle SnT. Then make the MLE offer to G Will and get them both for free
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Dame Requests Trade, Wants MIA only. - Ghost of Podkolzin - 07-05-2023
(07-05-2023, 12:20 PM)Okstate819 Wrote: Not saying I would do this but one way to ensure Por doesn't match would be to take Nurkic off their hands as part of a S&T for Matisse. That contract is one of the worst in the league imo.
It's actually not too bad. You could argue maybe $15m/yr, $3m too high, but not outrageous. I would take on Nurkic as our C. I'm starting to come around on Thybulle.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Hayes: Thybulle intends to sign offer sheet with Mavs. - Chicagojk - 07-05-2023
Supposedly Stein said the Mavs main interest in Bol Bol at the draft was trying to acquire Orlando's pick #36 in the second round. Bol Bol was not the primary target.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Hayes: Thybulle intends to sign offer sheet with Mavs. - SleepingHero - 07-05-2023
I am ecstatic the Mavs are focusing on Thybulle. I hope POR doesn't match. His defense is exactly what we need.
Regardless whether or not it's for a full MLE, I don't think POR would match just based on fit and timeline. Thybulle is 26 and is an ancillary player to a contending team. He's not going to develop further on a tanking team. I do think the Mavs will have to offer some type of compensation for Thybulle. Maybe POR could be interested in tank commander Wood?
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RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Dame Requests Trade, Wants MIA only. - Okstate819 - 07-05-2023
(07-05-2023, 11:37 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: No, a Reggie replacement. 48 minutes of either Green or Thybulle on the ball (and some minutes of both in at the same time). Add in the eventual growth from OMax and you are solid through two needs….
Creator: Luka, Irving, Hardy
Wing Defender: Green, Thybulle, OMax
Now to filling out the big rotation.
My only issue with this is the lack of size at the forward. It hurts against long rangy 4s although I admit Thybulle is good enough to hold his own in those matchups. He's better at defending guards/ offensive initiator types though. He thrives on the perimeter. Also, one of our biggest issues has been giving up offensive rebounds in large part because were undersized at every position.
Would much rather run out a 3/4 of Thybulle/Washington hypothetically and using Green as a potential sell high trade chip that nets you another legit starter at the 5 (preferably Jarret Allen). We all love Green now but will we once he signs an extension for $15 mill/yr? He did struggle next to Luka/Kyrie down the stretch.
For what its worth, I don't think they'll move Green though.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Hayes: Thybulle intends to sign offer sheet with Mavs. - Kidnova - 07-05-2023
Count me in the excited for Thybulle column. I hope they can make this happen as I think his defensive energy and presence make a much bigger impact on the court than what shows up in the box score.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Hayes: Thybulle intends to sign offer sheet with Mavs. - MFFL - 07-05-2023
Its a great move for the Mavs to float this offer out there right now. If Portland is going to match then the extra day is meaningless. But since this "offer" is made before the league office opens, then Portland can pivot to a S&T without breaking any rules.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Hayes: Thybulle intends to sign offer sheet with Mavs. - F Gump - 07-05-2023
(07-05-2023, 01:00 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: I am ecstatic the Mavs are focusing on Thybulle. I hope POR doesn't match. His defense is exactly what we need.
Regardless whether or not it's for a full MLE, I don't think POR would match just based on fit and timeline. Thybulle is 26 and is an ancillary player to a contending team. He's not going to develop further on a tanking team. I do think the Mavs will have to offer some type of compensation for Thybulle. Maybe POR could be interested in tank commander Wood?
If POR isn't going to match, as you say, then "compensation" is not part of the landscspe. You just negotiate an offer sheet, and wait out the day until the ROFR expires.