(07-03-2023, 09:01 PM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: Malik Beasley signs a 1 yr deal with the Bucks.

(07-03-2023, 09:57 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: You guys think Charlotte would be interested in a Hayward+PJ Washington swap for whatever salary the Mavs need to send out? THJ+Holmes+McGee=36 mil.

Haywards 32 mil salary really is a lot, but he is a starting SF...

(07-03-2023, 10:01 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: I really don't understand the rush for Cleveland to move Allen.  Sure, their playoff run was really disappointing this year and Allen was not good.  But this was their first playoff run as a team.  They appeared to be pressing throughout the series and the Knicks took advantage of it and the Cavs lost confidence.  Road to success is typically filled with bumps along the way.  The year for the Cavs was a huge success and they are at a stage where they are a fringe contender.  Maybe with another good year and playoff run, they could be a true contender the following year.  They may decide it might be best to move Allen in the future, but I just don't understand why that would be now.  I would only consider it if I got a clear upgrade for him.

You can also argue if it is best business for Dallas to use their 27 first round pick plus assets for him as well.

(07-04-2023, 02:27 AM)Dundalis Wrote: I'd be wanting to use those types of assets on a high level defensive wing (which to me is a bigger priority than a big anyway, a good defensive big doesn't fix much if the perimeter defense is trash IMO).

(07-04-2023, 07:21 AM)Jason Terry Wrote: I prefer Williams, but there’s a strong argument for Thybulle for the same reasons i like Williams

We need wings who can guard up. They need to be excellent perimeter defenders. Luka is the 4 defensively. The 5 is the rim protector. So the other 3 guys need to be able to guard the opponents 1-3 players. As well as some of the elite 4’s in the league. Thybulle makes a lot of sense as does Williams since most teams have multiple point of attack offensive players on the court at the same time. It make sense that we would build a top 10 defense around the limitations of our star player who is best suited to guard 4’s and maybe certain 3’s and 5’s

(07-04-2023, 07:31 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: Luka is a FORWARD, defensively, but I wouldn’t lock him into the 4…more so he guards the lesser forward, mostly. Further, when Luka’s man is the 4, as you say, that’s ideal, because they have Green, Bullock and even THJ who are capable of guarding many 3’s. 

It’s when the danger comes in the shape of a 4 (LeBron, Kawhi, Ingrim, Tatum, Durrant, etc, etc, etc), that’s where they have currently only the rookie, omax, as an answer.

Thybulle can’t help with that. He is just another 3/2 type, and less playable than Green, imo.

(07-03-2023, 05:01 PM)mvossman Wrote: If that’s what it takes to get Allen, why didn’t we already do it and go a different route in the draft?  I like Allen, but makes no sense to trade for him and burn our draft pick on essentially the same player.

(07-04-2023, 09:27 AM)Jason Terry Wrote: Miami gets:
Dame
Holmes
Mcgee

Brooklyn gets:
Herro
Lowry

Dallas gets:
Nurkic
DFS

Portland gets:
Simmons
Bullock
Jovic
Jaquez
All of Miami draft assets
Brooklyn draft assets

(07-04-2023, 09:12 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: Part of an article from the Celtics writer at the athletic this morning:

Though most of the league’s cap space has dried up at this point, the expectation with Williams has always been that a sign-and-trade or midlevel exception (MLE) would be the likely outcome. Atlanta, Charlotte, Dallas, New York and Washington are all still in the mix, according to league sources, with Williams eligible to sign an offer sheet on July 6. The Celtics have 24 hours to match once the sheet is signed.

Boston has been seeking a first-round pick in return for Williams, according to league sources, though it’s rare for a sign-and-trade for a role player to yield that significant of a return. Once Williams’ situation is resolved, the Celtics will have a clearer picture of how they can build for the future around Brown’s extension.

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More from article:

Multiple league sources told The Athletic that they expect the Celtics to consider matching a deal up to the $12.4 million MLE that teams such as Charlotte and Atlanta can offer. But those teams, as well as Dallas, New York and Washington, can work out a sign-and-trade with the Celtics to bring in Williams for a salary Boston wouldn’t match. Williams can’t sign an offer sheet until July 6, so teams have time to get a read on how deep into the teens they can push the Celtics before Boston relents.

Porziņģis signing for below his max extension’s value helps create room under the second apron to pay Williams, but that would be so much total money to commit to a big-man rotation. Unless the Celtics are going to play double big the vast majority of the time, it’s hard to justify without shipping out another big in 2024.

Oshae Brissett’s arrival gives them a low-cost alternative for Williams’ role at the four, as he can crash the glass and guard a few positions. It would be a notable downgrade, but the Celtics will have to sacrifice somewhere in the rotation to survive the new CBA’s dramatic restrictions. Paying four rotation bigs seems like a thing of the past now for everyone in the league.

(07-04-2023, 10:55 AM)omahen Wrote: Thanks for posting this. Williams SnT is definitely not worth the 2027 pick, but there seems to be a number of suitors. Lucky part for us is, that Williams (not Boston) chooses, who he wants to dance with. 

I could consider something like:
Was: McGee (or Holmes), THJ, 2027 FRP (protected 1-4) - expand the Sacramento deal
Bos: protected FRP from the selection of picks Was has
Dal: Gafford, Williams

Still feels a bit light for 2027, but if one thinks those two are the right pieces... Spend MLE on Thybulle.