MavsBoard
Trade & FA 2023-24: Stein-Ingram Trade Inevitable| LAL Want Lebron Back On Any Terms - Printable Version

+- MavsBoard (https://www.mavsboard.com)
+-- Forum: Boards (https://www.mavsboard.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=1)
+--- Forum: Dallas Mavericks and the NBA (https://www.mavsboard.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=2)
+--- Thread: Trade & FA 2023-24: Stein-Ingram Trade Inevitable| LAL Want Lebron Back On Any Terms (/showthread.php?tid=2444)

Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360 361 362 363 364 365 366 367 368 369 370 371 372 373 374 375 376 377 378 379 380 381 382 383 384 385 386 387 388 389 390 391 392 393 394 395 396 397 398 399 400 401 402 403 404 405 406 407 408 409 410 411 412 413 414 415 416 417 418 419 420 421 422 423 424 425 426 427 428 429 430 431 432 433 434 435 436 437 438 439 440 441 442 443 444 445 446 447 448 449 450 451 452 453 454 455 456 457 458 459 460 461 462 463 464 465 466 467 468 469 470 471 472 473 474 475 476 477 478 479 480 481 482 483 484 485 486 487 488 489 490 491 492 493 494 495 496 497 498 499 500 501 502 503 504 505 506 507 508 509 510 511 512 513 514 515 516 517 518 519 520 521 522 523 524 525 526 527 528 529 530 531 532 533 534 535 536 537 538 539 540 541 542


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24:HOU likes FVV+Brooks| MIA to S/W Lowry if no trade? - StrandedOnBeauboisHill - 06-28-2023

(06-28-2023, 10:06 AM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: Just an across the sports spectrum buyer beware statement...  Overpaying for championship role players rarely pays off.  Those backup minutes on outstanding teams are not analogous to starter minutes on a good team.


There you go with your Delorean again.  The key is predicting two years out, not projecting from 2 years previous.

How is this looking backwards? Bruce Browns game didn’t change, the team around him did. The point he’s trying to make is that he’s been successful in both roles, guarding POA and handling the ball AND playing as a small ball big. The reason he didn’t get the bag last offseason is because folks felt he was ONLY a small ball big actually.


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24:HOU likes FVV+Brooks| MIA to S/W Lowry if no trade? - dirkfansince1998 - 06-28-2023

(06-28-2023, 10:06 AM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: Just an across the sports spectrum buyer beware statement...  Overpaying for championship role players rarely pays off.  Those backup minutes on outstanding teams are not analogous to starter minutes on a good team.


There you go with your Delorean again.  The key is predicting two years out, not projecting from 2 years previous.

So Brown forgot how to set screens and short roll? All of a sudden cannot defend bigger wings anymore even though he was doing it for the Nets and Nuggets (on switches)?


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24:HOU likes FVV+Brooks| MIA to S/W Lowry if no trade? - Mavs2021 - 06-28-2023

(06-28-2023, 09:55 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: https://twitter.com/thenbacentral/status/1674067440739708931?s=46&t=Fmdr94oXagcEyy75KJqaFg

NBACentral (@TheNBACentral)
The Cavs are open to potential Darius Garland trades, per @AmicoHoops
Likes
411


Its Amico so take with a grain of salt, but didnt Windhorst also allude to CLE having some spicy deals set up?

Kyrie + Maxi for Garland + Allen.

Our whole timeline shifts like crazy. That would be an amazing deal.


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24:HOU likes FVV+Brooks| MIA to S/W Lowry if no trade? - dirkfansince1998 - 06-28-2023

https://twitter.com/James_HamNBA/status/1673923633301864449

Quote:According to a league source, the Kings and Harrison Barnes’ camp have restarted talks. No word if he will sign a new extension, but they are back at the table.


Barnes avoiding free agency???


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24:HOU likes FVV+Brooks| MIA to S/W Lowry if no trade? - dirkfansince1998 - 06-28-2023

https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1674076794809376770

Quote: The Rockets are planning to ‘tempt’ Fred VanVleet with a contract starting at $40M per year, per
@michaelgrange
“One league source told me the Rockets, armed with $60 million in cap room and no state tax in Texas, are going to tempt VanVleet with a two-year deal for $80 million adding veteran stability to a roster teeming with talented players on rookie contracts.”

Goes along with recent rumors that Harden stays in Philly.


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24:HOU likes FVV+Brooks| MIA to S/W Lowry if no trade? - Chicagojk - 06-28-2023

I think Houston will be fascinating this offseason. Who is going to take their money. For me, if i was a free agent I don't think I would be pumped going to Houston right now. They have a lot of young talent, but I am not sure if it is ready to win yet. Plus, they have a lot of young players that expect minutes. Could be a difficult space for a veteran.

Jake Fisher mentioned tis morning have been gauging interest in players like KJ Martin, Usman Garuba and Josh Christopher. Martin is a FA after next year and is probably in line for a bigger payday. Garuba may just be lost in the shuffle with all their other younger players.


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24:HOU likes FVV+Brooks| MIA to S/W Lowry if no trade? - dirkfansince1998 - 06-28-2023

https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1674074046416273411

Quote: All signs point to Brook Lopez, Khris Middleton and Jae Crowder staying in Milwaukee, per
@TheSteinLine
“League sources say that Milwaukee is indeed in a promising position when it comes to re-signing both Khris Middleton and Brook Lopez…The Bucks are increasingly expected to re-sign Jae Crowder after surrendering five (yes, five) second-round picks to acquire him from Phoenix before the February trade deadline.”

https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1674078983321710592

Quote:Teams that have made calls for Pascal Siakam:
Atlanta Hawks
Charlotte Hornets
Dallas Mavericks
Houston Rockets
New Orleans Pelicans
Sacramento Kings



RE: Trade & FA 2023-24:HOU likes FVV+Brooks| MIA to S/W Lowry if no trade? - Chicagojk - 06-28-2023

Fisher mentioned that Christian Wood is a name mentioned as a potential target for Miami.


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24:HOU likes FVV+Brooks| MIA to S/W Lowry if no trade? - RoyTarpleysGhost - 06-28-2023

(06-28-2023, 09:45 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: A 3+1 descending contract for the least amount of money realistically possible is the most ideal scenario.

4/160 descending would start him right around 44.5 and descend all the way to 35 in his last year.

We need his cap hit this year to be smaller so we have access to the MLE.  Not sure why everyone started talking about a descending contract all of a sudden.

(06-28-2023, 10:37 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: I think Houston will be fascinating this offseason.  Who is going to take their money.  For me, if i was a free agent I don't think I would be pumped going to Houston right now.  They have a lot of young talent, but I am not sure if it is ready to win yet.  Plus, they have a lot of young players that expect minutes.  Could be a difficult space for a veteran. 

Jake Fisher mentioned tis morning have been gauging interest in players like KJ Martin, Usman Garuba and Josh Christopher.  Martin is a FA after next year and is probably in line for a bigger payday.  Garuba may just be lost in the shuffle with all their other younger players.

Houston seems like a team with a bad owner that wants to cobble together a competitive team to sell tickets instead of continuing the rebuild.


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24:HOU likes FVV+Brooks| MIA to S/W Lowry if no trade? - The Jom - 06-28-2023

A little less ghost of podkolzin, a little more action, please
All this PF obsession ain't satisfactioning me
A little more bite, a little less bark
A little less fight and a little more spark
Close your mouth and open up your heart, and Mavricks, satisfy me
Satisfy me, baby


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24:HOU likes FVV+Brooks| MIA to S/W Lowry if no trade? - Ghost of Podkolzin - 06-28-2023

(06-28-2023, 10:13 AM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: How is this looking backwards? Bruce Browns game didn’t change, the team around him did. The point he’s trying to make is that he’s been successful in both roles, guarding POA and handling the ball AND playing as a small ball big. The reason he didn’t get the bag last offseason is because folks felt he was ONLY a small ball big actually.

How is looking back over 2 years ago looking backwards?  Say that out loud.

Nellie used to start Erick Strickland at C.  They're the same size.  Does that mean Brown can be a C too?  How many championships did Nellie win with this type of nonsense?

Let me get this straight.  Y'all are projecting to start Brown at PF because he did so in the Nets failed experiment over 2 years ago and not use him like he was used on last year's championship team?  Do you not see the madness in this?

How about we build a roster in the likeness of DEN, you know the champions, and not in the likeness of failed gimmicks?

Rebounding is a key to defense.  You want to rotate a washed up Holmes, always injured bad rebounding Maxi, Luka, and 6 guards and expect to rebound?


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24:HOU likes FVV+Brooks| MIA to S/W Lowry if no trade? - mvossman - 06-28-2023

(06-28-2023, 09:38 AM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: Do the math.  You need about 4k minutes at each of the 5 positions.  Just listing a name is not enough.  What are your projections on how much each can play?  How many minutes?  Brown at PF???  Are you being served?  Holmes to start?????

Calling guards "wings" doesn't make them not guards.  Bullock, THJ, and Green are tweener SG/SF.  Ditto with Brown.  So you've got 6 guards in the rotation in Kyrie, Green, Hardy, Bullock, THJ, and now Brown.  Luka as a PF/SF.  Maxi who played 929 minutes last year.  Holmes who last year played 349 minutes.  Lively who played only 20 minutes in college and was completely invisible in many games.  OMax, a rookie.  Heavy minutes for McGee.  And bringing back Powell?????????

You are presenting a Luka exit plan.

You do realize that the original definition of a "wing" is a tweener SG/SF right?

I think your projections are simplistically looking at just the last season.  There is a lot more context to work from than that.

The Luka exit plan bit is a beating.  The FO probably has a better idea of what will make Luka happy than you or I do.  It looks like focusing on character guys and a longer term plan is what they are going with.  They don't appear to be worried about going through some growing pains this coming season as long as its growing pains and not dysfunction.


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24:HOU likes FVV+Brooks| MIA to S/W Lowry if no trade? - michaeltex - 06-28-2023

Regarding Kyrie, should we expect a quick (day 1?) resolution to his contract status or will it get dragged out and gum up the works on whether or not the MLE/BAE is available?


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24:HOU likes FVV+Brooks| MIA to S/W Lowry if no trade? - dirkfansince1998 - 06-28-2023

(06-28-2023, 10:41 AM)RoyTarpleysGhost Wrote: We need his cap hit this year to be smaller so we have access to the MLE.  Not sure why everyone started talking about a descending contract all of a sudden.


Houston seems like a team with a bad owner that wants to cobble together a competitive team to sell tickets instead of continuing the rebuild.

Even worse. Tanking isn´t even an option because OKC owns Houstons 2024 + 2026 first (top 4 protected).
Paying the price for Westbrook/CP3 and other roster building mistakes.


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24:HOU likes FVV+Brooks| MIA to S/W Lowry if no trade? - dirkfansince1998 - 06-28-2023

https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1674083177554497537

Quote:The Sixers are expected to offer James Harden a contract ‘considerably higher’ than his $35.6M player option, per Brian Windhorst



RE: Trade & FA 2023-24:HOU likes FVV+Brooks| MIA to S/W Lowry if no trade? - StrandedOnBeauboisHill - 06-28-2023

(06-28-2023, 10:47 AM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: How is looking back over 2 years ago looking backwards?  Say that out loud.

Nellie used to start Erick Strickland at C.  They're the same size.  Does that mean Brown can be a C too?  How many championships did Nellie win with this type of nonsense?

Let me get this straight.  Y'all are projecting to start Brown at PF because he did so in the Nets failed experiment over 2 years ago and not use him like he was used on last year's championship team?  Do you not see the madness in this?

How about we build a roster in the likeness of DEN, you know the champions, and not in the likeness of failed gimmicks?

Rebounding is a key to defense.  You want to rotate a washed up Holmes, always injured bad rebounding Maxi, Luka, and 6 guards and expect to rebound?

No one is suggesting that as his full time role, simply saying there's already evidence he can play that role if we need him too.  The whole appeal of a player like Bruce Brown is that you can do a ton of different things with him, people are simply using his time at the Nets as proof that he can.  No one is suggesting trying to win a championship with Bruce Brown playing a ton of minutes at center but I also wouldn't call that Nets team a failure as it was essentially a KD big toe away from beating the eventual champs (Bruce Brown played 52 minutes at center in that game 7 FYI).

Of course the goal would be to play him to his strengths but if you haven't noticed, this team still has giant holes in the front court so why are you so opposed to the idea of him helping in that area if he's proven that he can?


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24:HOU likes FVV+Brooks| MIA to S/W Lowry if no trade? - SleepingHero - 06-28-2023

(06-28-2023, 10:41 AM)RoyTarpleysGhost Wrote: We need his cap hit this year to be smaller so we have access to the MLE.  Not sure why everyone started talking about a descending contract all of a sudden.

At 45mil, the avenues of getting to full MLE and BAE are open as long as Bullock is S/W

The draw for a descending contract just makes Kyrie a more appealing asset in a couple of years.


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24:HOU to offer FVV 2/80m?| Mavs called about Siakam? - Chicagojk - 06-28-2023

https://twitter.com/TheBoxAndOne_/status/1674086136187166722


Grant Williams Starter kit?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRyMtnXjW6o


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24:HOU to offer FVV 2/80m?| Mavs called about Siakam? - SleepingHero - 06-28-2023

For potential external targets: Christian Wood continues to be mentioned by league personnel as someone on the Heat’s radar.

From Jake Fischer's new article: https://sports.yahoo.com/2023-nba-free-agency-the-blazers-quest-to-improve-around-damian-lillard-remains-a-serious-challenge-152827475.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly90LmNvLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAFPSTvfF_WbatvTLw2bfLAZ47QgNXwApQ9y2L2c-jKhOEF5GTWJfeHSTRYEbv5eH849PqJPWRazdc_R0peM_1N3cz6UA3mD-WxXzFDXEp8VnW0mGNFNGt42o7lm6k_pL1L2Pq9B-D9s92dAwWAdOwGwHNHxqH92-ytr9qZBTisuD

https://twitter.com/thenbacentral/status/1674089543287427073?s=46&t=Fmdr94oXagcEyy75KJqaFg

NBACentral (@TheNBACentral)
Yuta Watanabe is a potential target for the Phoenix Suns, per @TheSteinLine

“As Phoenix scours the league for quality players willing to play for the league minimum and chase a ring in its supporting cast surrounding Kevin Durant, Devin Booker and Bradley Beal, Nets…


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24:HOU likes FVV+Brooks| MIA to S/W Lowry if no trade? - KillerLeft - 06-28-2023

(06-28-2023, 11:18 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: At 45mil, the avenues of getting to full MLE and BAE are open as long as Bullock is S/W

The draw for a descending contract just makes Kyrie a more appealing asset in a couple of years.

If the 4/160 rumor is true, he’d start way under that, no? I hope it’s true.