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RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: TDL past, time to look forward! - cow - 03-31-2023
(03-31-2023, 10:42 AM)ballsrchr Wrote: The Mavs management in this area does not give me a warm and fuzzy feeling. To quote a player who I'm too lazy to look up, "...traded me for a bag of chips!" Need I mention Brunson?
Anyway...we can hope. And I do...
Him leaving for nothing would be the Cuban special. I do fully expect the Mavs will keep him by any means necessary though.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: TDL past, time to look forward! - HoosierDaddyKid - 04-01-2023
(03-31-2023, 10:48 AM)cow Wrote: Him leaving for nothing would be the Cuban special. I do fully expect the Mavs will keep him by any means necessary though.
They have to, just to save face on how bad of a decision they made. Most prognosticators said the trade wouldn't work, and they were right. Notice how much national TV time the Mavs are getting since they've been losing? Tonight vs Miami, and Monday vs Atlanta. Maybe it's because they all are fighting for playoff spots.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: TDL past, time to look forward! - cow - 04-01-2023
(04-01-2023, 05:11 AM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: They have to, just to save face on how bad of a decision they made. Most prognosticators said the trade wouldn't work, and they were right. Notice how much national TV time the Mavs are getting since they've been losing? Tonight vs Miami, and Monday vs Atlanta. Maybe it's because they all are fighting for playoff spots.
I'm not so sure about the "wouldn't work" part. It's a really small sample size and this team has been dreadful all season long, especially on the defensive end which was further weakened when they shipped Dorian out. I don't think Kyrie was a move for this season. That's not my endorsement for this being a winning combination as I'm a little concerned what I've seen from Luka when the two share the floor and the team does seems to have a much different feel when Kyrie is running the show without Luka. I'm also not sure I trust the Mavs to build around these two.
I do wonder what the Mavs could recoup by facilitating a SNT in the offseason if either or both sides don't see a future.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: TDL past, time to look forward! - HoosierDaddyKid - 04-01-2023
(04-01-2023, 03:22 PM)cow Wrote: I'm not so sure about the "wouldn't work" part. It's a really small sample size and this team has been dreadful all season long, especially on the defensive end which was further weakened when they shipped Dorian out. I don't think Kyrie was a move for this season. That's not my endorsement for this being a winning combination as I'm a little concerned what I've seen from Luka when the two share the floor and the team does seems to have a much different feel when Kyrie is running the show without Luka. I'm also not sure I trust the Mavs to build around these two.
I do wonder what the Mavs could recoup by facilitating a SNT in the offseason if either or both sides don't see a future.
Let me re-phrase that. Didn't mean it couldn't work. But that would take a complete overhaul of the roster and putting the right pieces next to both of them, of which will be very difficult to do without the proper assets of which they have few. I knew it wasn't going to work in their current configuration.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: TDL past, time to look forward! - ItsGoTime - 04-03-2023
I think this one needs some massaging but the bones are there.
Atl in: THJ, Bertans, Bullock, 23 and 27 firsts
Dal in: Capela and Collins
Kyrie/Green/Luka/Collins/Capela
Hardy/FA defender/FA defender/Maxi/Powell
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: TDL past, time to look forward! - IamDougieFresh - 04-03-2023
(04-03-2023, 02:49 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I think this one needs some massaging but the bones are there.
Atl in: THJ, Bertans, Bullock, 23 and 27 firsts
Dal in: Capela and Collins
Kyrie/Green/Luka/Collins/Capela
Hardy/FA defender/FA defender/Maxi/Powell
I wouldn’t trade a top 10 pick for that package personally.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: TDL past, time to look forward! - Mavs2021 - 04-03-2023
(04-03-2023, 02:49 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I think this one needs some massaging but the bones are there.
Atl in: THJ, Bertans, Bullock, 23 and 27 firsts
Dal in: Capela and Collins
Kyrie/Green/Luka/Collins/Capela
Hardy/FA defender/FA defender/Maxi/Powell
I´d actually go the other way. I´d offer the Heat Bertans for Robinson and the 20th pick this year. See if they bite. Draft Hendricks at #10, Lively at #20 and I´d even look to add another late 1st round pick for former top 5 highschool recruit Dariq Whitehead now projected to go very late 1st round. Maybe the Pacers take Theis + McConnell + #29 for THJ. That creates the necessary minutes for Green, Hardy. Maybe a Wood/Vucevic S&T redemption for both.
Doncic/Hardy/McConnell
Irving/Green/Lawson
Bullock/Robinson/Whitehead
Hendricks/Kleber/Theis
Vucevic/Lively/McGee
....and after all that we still got the 2027 pick and an exception.
I think that would be kind of the Lakers trade deadline move, where you silently upgrade so many positions rather than make a splash move.
Robinson > Bertans
Vucevic > Wood
Theis > Powell
Hardy/Green need to replace THJ´s production, which I think they can. You add three rookie with potential in Hendricks, Lively and Whitehead. Hendricks/Lively should be a good offense/defense fit with Vucevic.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: TDL past, time to look forward! - StrandedOnBeauboisHill - 04-03-2023
(04-03-2023, 03:43 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Draft Hendricks at #10
Totally with you here.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: TDL past, time to look forward! - RasheedsBigWhiteSpot - 04-03-2023
(04-03-2023, 03:43 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: I´d actually go the other way. I´d offer the Heat Bertans for Robinson and the 20th pick this year. See if they bite. Draft Hendricks at #10, Lively at #20 and I´d even look to add another late 1st round pick for former top 5 highschool recruit Dariq Whitehead now projected to go very late 1st round. Maybe the Pacers take Theis + McConnell + #29 for THJ. That creates the necessary minutes for Green, Hardy. Maybe a Wood/Vucevic S&T redemption for both.
Doncic/Hardy/McConnell
Irving/Green/Lawson
Bullock/Robinson/Whitehead
Hendricks/Kleber/Theis
Vucevic/Lively/McGee
....and after all that we still got the 2027 pick and an exception.
I think that would be kind of the Lakers trade deadline move, where you silently upgrade so many positions rather than make a splash move.
Robinson > Bertans
Vucevic > Wood
Theis > Powell
Hardy/Green need to replace THJ´s production, which I think they can. You add three rookie with potential in Hendricks, Lively and Whitehead. Hendricks/Lively should be a good offense/defense fit with Vucevic.
The Heat would jump all over that deal. Mavs shouldn't. Bertans only has one fully guaranteed year remaining, whereas Robinson is considered the second worst contract in the league. The Mavs would get hosed only getting back #20.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: TDL past, time to look forward! - SleepingHero - 04-04-2023
https://twitter.com/nba_university/status/1643268459432738817?s=46&t=gVyHhUpff1PFGCyaxsw67w
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: TDL past, time to look forward! - omahen - 04-05-2023
Mavs need three good defenders next to Kyrie and Luka. I think the only one possible from existing team to fill one of those spots is Green. This leaves big wing and center. I would be very reluctant to think about any potentially available traditional big like Nurkic or Vucevic. Turner would be perfect, but I don't think he will be available. Here are some guys that might fit and could be available (listed based on their current team alphabetical order):
- Capela: would need a shooting big wing to pair with. Atlanta is looking to be better, so a third team would need to be involved
- Isaiah Stewart: Detroit has a logjam at center as it is. He is small, but could work very well in a highly switchable defense Mavs need to play with Luka Irving is unfortunately the opposite, you can't survive with him switching on a bigger player - preswitching could solve that. He is not worth a 2023 pick or unprotected pick, so either Detroit eats Bertans or we get more back (Burks)
- Achiuwa: similar to Stewart. His minutes dipped a lot in Toronto after they traded for Poeltl. Toronto can't eat salary. I would be very interested for Boucher as an addition to Achiuwa
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: TDL past, time to look forward! - ItsGoTime - 04-05-2023
Oh! Achiuwa and Boucher are 2 names that haven’t been talked about recently and would fit.
Orlando’s bevy of bigs needs a pressure release.
Washington, with KP having a good season, has a lot of salary going to Gafford.
Those are the only other spots to look at IMO.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: TDL past, time to look forward! - Chicagojk - 04-05-2023
I have been thinking about Precious as well. I am typically against trading down in draft and probably will be this year as well. But let’s say we keep our pick and Toronto really likes someone at our pick. Precious and their pick for ours? Are we getting too much? So we get an athletic Precious and a defender center in Lively.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: TDL past, time to look forward! - omahen - 04-05-2023
(04-05-2023, 10:49 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: Precious and their pick for ours?
As it is now, Toronto pick is only 3 spots below the Mavs one. They would really need to like player at 10a lot to offer Achiuwa in such a deal.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: TDL past, time to look forward! - ItsGoTime - 04-05-2023
Let’s say Wash gets their Avdija replacement in the draft.
Deni and Gafford for THJ and 27?
Irving/Green/Luka/Hendricks/Gafford
Hardy/Bullock/Avdija/Kleber/Powell
I like that team if Green figures out how to play with Luka on the court and Hendricks is an NBA starter.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: TDL past, time to look forward! - sterlingmallory - 04-05-2023
My offseason plan is pretty simple:
- Re-sign Kyrie, roll with Luka/Kyrie/Green/Hardy core
- Draft Hendricks at 10
- Heavily shop THJ/Bullock/Bertans/McGee and '27 first to see if we can get a starting center. Personally, I'd try to get Myles Turner or Clint Capela.
- Preferably keep Kleber, but if he has to go to get a starting center then so be it.
- Scrounge a few free agents like Crowder, Torrey Craig, Trey Lyles, Troy Brown, Wenyen Gabriel, Justice Winslow, Bates-Diop, whomever to fill out wing and big depth.
- See if there are any sign & trade options with Wood.
- Roll the dice on some undrafted FAs to find the next diamond in the rough.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: TDL past, time to look forward! - Jym - 04-05-2023
We're screwed until Cuban decides to sell the team
https://twitter.com/townbrad/status/1643742235090124800
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: TDL past, time to look forward! - loki - 04-05-2023
(04-05-2023, 05:34 PM)Jym Wrote: We're screwed until Cuban decides to sell the team
https://twitter.com/townbrad/status/1643742235090124800
Confirming once again that he is still the GM.
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: TDL past, time to look forward! - Jym - 04-05-2023
(04-05-2023, 05:52 PM)loki Wrote: Confirming once again that he is still the GM.
I wonder how much it would bruise his ego if the fans actively started booing him
RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: TDL past, time to look forward! - ItsGoTime - 04-08-2023
With Kidd saying there will be a lot of new faces next year, looks like an active offseason ahead. A lot will depend on the pick this year as far as the quality of player we’re getting back because a top 10 pick (or getting jumped and using future picks) will be the best asset we’ll have.
List the names you think will not be back in order of your belief that they need to go and likelihood that they will.
Pinson - put him on the coaching staff if you like him so much, but don’t lead him on to believing he has a shot to be a player in the league. This is more about the likelihood than the need, but his roster spot would be nice to see filled by another bought SRP.
Morris - likelihood, he’ll be replaced by another vet min guy that hopefully plays better.
Bullock - he’s been cooked on defense all season, yet relied on to still be that guy. He needs to go and with a non-guaranteed salary that can be decided after the draft, he is a perfect fit for a trade and waive. Would be a good piece to use in a trade during playoffs or on draft night.
Powell - they tried to supplant him last offseason, they’ll try it again. This might be wishful thinking on my part, but I really dislike the crutch role he’s played on this team for so many years. I like him as a vet min bench big option, just really dislike him being the crutch this team consistently goes to. Figure out who else will step up if he isn’t an option any longer.
Bertans - either he or THJ will be the biggest chunk of salary ballast in trade this offseason. Bertans is the lesser player, so he goes ahead of THJ for need and likelihood.
THJ - same as Bertans. I myself think he’s too much of a crutch for this team, but the development of him playing well off the bench since the Kyrie trade has me intrigued. I think him on the team also stunts some of the Hardy and Green growth, so he still needs to go, unless those two are gone.
Wood - this is likely to happen due to the treatment he got this year and the likelihood that Kidd is still the coach next year. With a better big rotation, I think he’d be a really good MLE bench big getting 25 or so minutes, but I think that ship has already sailed.
Frank - no progress on offense, likely gone.
Holiday - meh. He can stay as a vet min or go. Either way, I’m glad he isn’t starting anymore.
McGee - not likely due to him being a drag on trade value. Needed to be gone is certain. Our big rotation needs a full overhaul.
Maxi - kindof need his spot to be more reliable. Play is hit and miss even when he is available if we’re being honest about him.
Green - most likely trade bait in lieu of draft compensation. If he is gonna be so hit or miss on offense, might as well be used in trade, but the return needs to be pretty big.
Hardy - kinda like Green, but his skillset is sorely needed on this team. If we get more ball handlers, he becomes more expendable. Like Green, the return needs to be pretty big.
Kyrie - I think we retain him, not sure how good that decision is gonna turn out to be.
Luka - not likely or needed, but you never know!