(06-27-2023, 09:19 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: Let's go best care scenario, Gawd owed us a favor.

Lively is Mark Williams. 19mins in 43 games.  0.8k mins.
OMax is Jae Crowder.  17mins in 78 games.  1.3k mins.
Holmes turns back the clock 2 years.  24mins in 45 games.  1.0k mins.

SF: Covered.
PF: OMax 1.3k mins.  50% of Holmes 0.5k mins.  Still need 1.3k minutes.
C: Lively 0.8k mins, 50% of Holmes 0.5k mins.  Still need 2.7k minutes.

(06-27-2023, 07:40 PM)cow Wrote: I don't think you can operate that way or you end up with Josh Richardson and Delon Wright.  Yes, your team should try to address weaknesses in the draft, via trade, and in free agency, but we aren't at the point were one player is going to put us over the top.  If you can smartly add talent, I'd worry less about redundancy or positions of need and more about building up available assets.

(06-27-2023, 09:39 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: So how do we fit the huge gap of 4k minutes of PF/C here?  Well, if we're filling in minutes with rookies in OMax and Lively, not to mention Holmes is Lazarus, we need some real deals.  

- Zubac, 29 mins in 76 games.  2.2k mins.
- Z.Collins, 23 mins in 63 games, 1.5k mins.
- Eason, 22 mins in 82 games, 1.8k mins.
- PJ.Washington, 33 mins in 73 games, 2.4k mins.
- C.Wood, 26 mins in 67 games, 1.7k mins.

In a perfect world, I'm going after Zubac and Eason.

(06-27-2023, 09:39 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: ...we need some real deals.  
- Zubac, 29 mins in 76 games.  2.2k mins.
- Z.Collins, 23 mins in 63 games, 1.5k mins.
- Eason, 22 mins in 82 games, 1.8k mins.
- PJ.Washington, 33 mins in 73 games, 2.4k mins.
- C.Wood, 26 mins in 67 games, 1.7k mins.

(06-27-2023, 09:47 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: You are mistaken.  That's the rule for drafting, which is arguable, but NEVER free agency or trading.  BOS just masterfully traded away a DPOY because that position is well covered by two players on the roster for a player who brings something they were lacking.  We literally have Maxi as the only contributing PF/C at a level good enough for a championship team, and he gave us a whopping 25mins in 37 games.  To not see our H-U-G-E hole at PF/C is to be one of the three mice running up the clock.

(06-27-2023, 07:40 PM)cow Wrote: I don't think you can operate that way or you end up with Josh Richardson and Delon Wright.  Yes, your team should try to address weaknesses in the draft, via trade, and in free agency, but we aren't at the point were one player is going to put us over the top.  If you can smartly add talent, I'd worry less about redundancy or positions of need and more about building up available assets.

(06-27-2023, 05:32 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: There is some confusion about new CBA "aggregation" rules regarding Ayton on another board.  It was suggested that after 7/1/23, Ayton can't be traded with multiple players coming back.  This is not a concern for 2023.  It is a second apron thing, but it doesn't start until the 24/25 season.

In that season, if you are over the second apron, you can't aggregate up or down (can't turn two players into one in a trade and can't turn one into two).  That is a big deal because not only are you competitively punished for spending that much, but you have few avenues to fix your mistake.  But again, a 24 thing, not a 23 thing.  If they really were relatively close to an Ayton trade that included Holmes we know:

1. All the positioning about new coach looking forward to working with him is BS.
2. This was after the drafting of Lively (or we wouldn't have had Holmes to trade).

I did the match and with Irving at $40mm to start, we cross the first apron if we don't include McGee as outgoing (not by much though, so it could be fixed by fine tuning Kyrie down a bit more (though we don't even know if $40mm is a real thing or not).  If McGee is outgoing, then we can have the N-TP MLE.  In fact, there are a few extra dollars to give to Kyrie or use in a trade spread with Bullock outgoing or use to keep a 15th player on the roster.

Clock is ticking on Reggie.  If you don't pick up his guarantee, it has a similar impact to trading McGee if you don't S/W him.  You have to account for dead money and a minimum slot to replace him.  But with Irving at $40mm, 14 spots and Reggie just straight waived, I have us at $169mm.  We will have moved off of two wings in THJ and Reggie, but we only need one and the MLE can provide that.

(06-27-2023, 08:36 PM)F Gump Wrote: Thanks for your opinion.

I am a huge proponent of adding improved defense. But I don't agree with the idea that the problem (and solution) is limited to 4s and 5s.

To me, Brown fills a need. He's a 2 or 3, but can guard bigger. MOST IMPORTANTLY, he is a legit defender. To add one of those, who can do some plus things on offense too, that's what you need.

I hope you are right about Bullock. But if you are, I still think Brown would be a huge get. He offers a lot.

I agree that they might need better at C. But the problem is they don't need MORE, and they don't need one just to get one. It would be dumb to add another without getting rid of McGee or Holmes (or both). So that would be a trade, not MLE. If they can get that guy in trade, with one or more centers outgoing, sign me up. I would love to see them swap for Gafford. (But that answer is not Ayton imo. The Mavs need DEFENSE. They also need to get away from bloated salaries.) I

I would love for the Mavs to add a bigger defensive wing than Brown for the MLE, but don't see who that would be for the MLE.

I wonder if are set with enough defense at the 4, with Maxi and O-Max. But I also wonder, if an addition is needed, who is the defensive stud as a 4 who is available for the MLE? I don't want a guy, just to have a guy.

My 2c.

(06-27-2023, 11:25 PM)Mavsfan12 Wrote: That's fair, if you are picking from the bottom of the barrel.  We are talking about trading assets, not acquiring a player with the TP-MLE after everyone has been picked over.  The Mavs need to use their assets to address the frontcourt.  Adding to the backcourt is just redundancy at this point with a failed ending.  So what's the point of that?  If they can't acquire anyone, then we know that the season will simply be a failure and we try again next year.  But they better treat it like that and play the heck out of the rookies to develop them!  I would also want to take swings on some players with potential growth.  I guess I am just not on board with a course of action that doesn't address the GLARING needs of this team.  Adding another guard just makes it more crowded, and reduces value.  They have to get bigs that can play NOW.

(06-27-2023, 11:32 PM)Mavsfan12 Wrote: The problem is that this team doesn't have a single player outside of Maxi (that isn't a rookie) that should play a minute at the 4.  That is the position this team is in.  So, you are trusting that Maxi stays healthy, (which is like the Cowboys trusting that Tyron Smith does the same), or you are playing a rookie, or you are playing guards at PF.  This is a fail.  You HAVE to fill the hole. There isn't really an option that is better, unless you are just getting bpa to make a trade later.  But again, that is a bottom feeder mentality.

(06-28-2023, 12:25 AM)RoyTarpleysGhost Wrote: https://twitter.com/skinwade/status/1673897866601852928?s=46&t=vJVRjsNMIspCGYJu_TpvwA

(06-28-2023, 01:15 AM)Jym Wrote: Back to Ayton, what about a 4-way where we add some value like the 2027 1st rounder to Toronto in a Siakam trade?
Siakam fits way better long term

(06-28-2023, 01:23 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: TOR just traded for Poeltl and threw in a 1st and two 2nds. Masai isn't one to just throw assets like that away.

I think they'll just resign Poeltl for 20 mil and call it a day.