(06-27-2023, 05:38 PM)If McWinter Wrote: Odds of an Ayton trade materializing for Dallas in the next week???

Quote:Donte DiVincenzo is not picking up his $4.7 million player option with the Warriors and will enter unrestricted free agency, source tells ESPN.

(06-27-2023, 04:30 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: Shame on PHX for matching IND after that instead of taking Turner+ in exchange...

If they had worked out a S&T prior to IND signing the offer sheet it does. Bottom line is Ayton's performance against the Mavs should have been a buyer beware. As someone already said, he's like Dorothy's friends in one: No Heart, No Courage, No Brain.

(06-27-2023, 03:10 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: HUH?  He's less than half the price of Ayton.  Makes less than THJ.

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(06-27-2023, 01:57 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: Let's make this easy, here are our 1-3 "ready to contribute now at a championship level" players...
1.  Luka, Point Forward, 6'-8", 230lbs ($40m)
2.  Kyrie, Combo Guard, 6'-2", 194lbs ($45m est)
3.  J.Green, SG, 6'-5", 209lbs ($3m)
4.  Hardy, Combo Guard, 6'-3", 198lbs ($1.7m)
5.  THJ, SG, 6'-5", 205lbs ($17.8m)
6.  Bullock, SG/SF, 6'-6", 205lbs ($10.4)
Six roster spots, $117.9m

Here are our 4-5 "ready to contribute now at a championship level"...
7.  Maxi, Forward, 6'-10", 240lbs ($11m)
One roster spot, $11m

See where we need to focus on?????  Again, in order to keep Luka from walking out on this franchise, we have to compete now.  The hopes that Holmes will do a Lazarus isn't going to do it.  Hoping Lively will go from only 20mins in college and games he simply was invisible to what we need out of a championship starter isn't going to do it.

We need a flex PF/C who eventually start with Lively and a flex SF/PF who could start for us right now.  The discussion should be around who that is, not what we need.

(06-27-2023, 06:14 PM)Mavsfan12 Wrote: The most frustrating thing about reading various outlets, including this one, during this offseason is hearing all of the theories on players that the Mavs are supposedly chasing or are interested in.  In a single, concise post, GoP has illustrated the massive issue that too many people are ignoring.  I don't want to hear another word about freaking Bruce Brown.  Who cares?  We need a frontcourt.  Period.  ALL assets should be used in targeting that area of need at this time.  The MAVS are stacked at the 1-3 - for now and into the future.  

(06-27-2023, 05:32 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote:

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Absolutely.  PJ attractive?  Sure.  But at that cost.  No way.

(06-27-2023, 05:38 PM)Winter Wrote: Odds of an Ayton trade materializing for Dallas in the next week???

(06-27-2023, 06:14 PM)Mavsfan12 Wrote: We need a frontcourt.  Period.  ALL assets should be used in targeting that area of need at this time.  The MAVS are stacked at the 1-3 - for now and into the future.  They need starting/contending level 4/5's still.  Two of them at a minimum. Period. 

(06-27-2023, 05:32 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: There is some confusion about new CBA "aggregation" rules regarding Ayton on another board.  It was suggested that after 7/1/23, Ayton can't be traded with multiple players coming back.  This is not a concern for 2023.  It is a second apron thing, but it doesn't start until the 24/25 season.

In that season, if you are over the second apron, you can't aggregate up or down (can't turn two players into one in a trade and can't turn one into two).  That is a big deal because not only are you competitively punished for spending that much, but you have few avenues to fix your mistake.  But again, a 24 thing, not a 23 thing.  If they really were relatively close to an Ayton trade that included Holmes we know:

1. All the positioning about new coach looking forward to working with him is BS.
2. This was after the drafting of Lively (or we wouldn't have had Holmes to trade).

I did the match and with Irving at $40mm to start, we cross the first apron if we don't include McGee as outgoing (not by much though, so it could be fixed by fine tuning Kyrie down a bit more (though we don't even know if $40mm is a real thing or not).  If McGee is outgoing, then we can have the N-TP MLE.  In fact, there are a few extra dollars to give to Kyrie or use in a trade spread with Bullock outgoing or use to keep a 15th player on the roster.

Clock is ticking on Reggie.  If you don't pick up his guarantee, it has a similar impact to trading McGee if you don't S/W him.  You have to account for dead money and a minimum slot to replace him.  But with Irving at $40mm, 14 spots and Reggie just straight waived, I have us at $169mm.  We will have moved off of two wings in THJ and Reggie, but we only need one and the MLE can provide that.

(06-27-2023, 06:28 PM)Winter Wrote: I think the problem with this is that you are assuming a static position on the Mavs roster. If there is a solid rumor about acquiring Bruce Brown, it may very well coincide with a Mavericks trade of one or more wings outgoing in a trade - like Thj or Bullock. We don't know what the Mavs are thinking or how they want to shuffle the deck, but if the Mavs acquire a center in a trade, they will likely have to let go of a wing. Hence, we may need a replacement.

This is all about upgrading the roster.

(06-27-2023, 06:14 PM)Mavsfan12 Wrote: The most frustrating thing about reading various outlets, including this one, during this offseason is hearing all of the theories on players that the Mavs are supposedly chasing or are interested in.  In a single, concise post, GoP has illustrated the massive issue that too many people are ignoring.  I don't want to hear another word about freaking Bruce Brown.  Who cares?  We need a frontcourt.  Period.  ALL assets should be used in targeting that area of need at this time.  The MAVS are stacked at the 1-3 - for now and into the future.  They need starting/contending level 4/5's still.  Two of them at a minimum. Period.  If you don't like the rumored bigs that are available, fine.  But people positing people like Bruce Brown/Norman Powell for the MLE/snt candidates, with the current state of the roster, are really showing that they don't get it.  

I'm sorry if that offends anyone, but come on.  This place is better than that.

One last thing in my rant...  Bullock has been a solid defensive presence for this team in his time here.  His defensive ratings absolutely TANKED last year because he was being asked to play the 4 here.  (he was the starting 4 after the TDL, with Luka sometimes guarding up, and Bull guarding down).  Anyone watching the games had to be able to see that the defense was getting killed by often playing 4 guards on a regular basis.  With Wood/Powell as the 5's, no less.  Come on!  The Mavs need to make deals for bigs - using players like THJ at a position of depth to do so.  They need to preserve the MLE to use on a starter at the 4/5 - depending on which position doesn't get filled in a trade.  But this team is STILL two starting players short of a contending roster next season.  Unless... the Mavs view Holmes as a starter.  No one has seen much of his play the last two seasons, but I would be happy with his play from 3-4 seasons ago - IF we had a really nice compliment at the 4 - and then go with a C by committee approach.

Great post, GoP!

(06-27-2023, 06:14 PM)Mavsfan12 Wrote: I don't want to hear another word about freaking Bruce Brown.  Who cares?  We need a frontcourt.  Period.  ALL assets should be used in targeting that area of need at this time.  The MAVS are stacked at the 1-3 - for now and into the future.  They need starting/contending level 4/5's still.  Two of them at a minimum. Period. 

(06-27-2023, 07:40 PM)MarkAguirreWrathofGod Wrote: PJ will probably get between 15-20m even as a RFA though, right? I would bet closer to 20. You have to make it painful for Charlotte or they just match.

(06-27-2023, 07:40 PM)cow Wrote: I don't think you can operate that way or you end up with Josh Richardson and Delon Wright.  Yes, your team should try to address weaknesses in the draft, via trade, and in free agency, but we aren't at the point where one player is going to put us over the top.  If you can smartly add talent, I'd worry less about redundancy or positions of need and more about building up available assets.

(06-27-2023, 08:35 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: Thank you, MF12.

One thing to add to both our points, we have no true SF even.  Sure Bullock, Green, and THJ can fill in, but they are at best tweener SG/SF.  Looking at our rebounding numbers last year, we need some rebounding from the 3 spot, which they don't give us.  Luka you can say functions as a forward, so we need a backup there.  All that said, we're missing an entire frontcourt except for Luka & Maxi.

That brings me to Maxi...  our only true forward other than Luka who is ready now to contribute on a championship team.  Maxi is a great switching defender, the best perimeter defender we have...  at 6'-10".  He's also a clutch 3pt shooter as he showed in our WCF run.  The bad?  He's a terrible rebounder.  His rebounding numbers are more of a SF, which is probably a wash with Luka being such a rebounding stud.  The ugly, he's a 25mins/game player.  So out of the entire ready to contribute to a championship team frontcourt, we have 25mins covered.  The fugly?  He played only 37 games last year.

Conclusion: Without overtime, we need about 4K minutes from all 3 frontcourt positions.  Luka played 34mins in 66 games.  Maxi played 25mins in 37 games.

SF: need 4K minutes.  Luka gave us 2.2k.  Need 1.8k.  Green, Bullock, and THJ can take care of that.
PF: need 4k minutes.  Maxi gave us 0.9k.  Need 3.1k.
C: need 4k minutes.

Do y'all not see the H-U-G-E hole here?