(06-27-2023, 12:47 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: Just a rumor, but supposedly it was THJ, Holmes and McGee for Ayton. PHX won’t do it with McGee’s money in the deal, Dallas won’t do it without the McGee dump.

(06-27-2023, 01:32 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: Zion actually wouldn’t surprise me that much.

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Brandan Ingrim?

(06-27-2023, 12:45 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: 23% of the cap
*23% of the cap 
*23% of the cap

* estimated using hoopshype salary cap projections.

Having your starting center only be at most 25% of the cap isn't bad at all. Lively+Ayton will combine to be less than 40 mil.  Looking around the league lets see what the top 16 teams are spending combined on their center rotation for the next season:
West:
DEN-Jokic(47.6)+*Bryant(vet min)+*Jordan(vet min)= 51,638,790
MEM- Adams (12.6)+Aldama(2.1)+Tillman(1.9)=16,724,881
SAC- Sabonis(22)+Len(5)+Metu(2)= 29,113,575
PHX- Ayton(32)+*Landale(~2.2)+*Biyombo(vet min)=36,668,531
LAC- Zubac(10.9)+*Plumlee(~12)=22,933,333
GSW- Looney(7.5)+*Draymond (~25 mil)=33,306,469
LAL-AD(40.6)+Bamba(10.3)+Thompson(vet min)=52,919,475
MIN- Gobert(41)+KAT(36)+Reid(13)=89,966,600

East:
MIL- *Lopez (~13)+Giannis(45.6)=58,640,084
BOS- KP(36)+Timelord(11.5)+Horford(10)+Kornet(2.4)=60,000,933
PHI- Embiid (47.6)+*Reed (3)+*Harrell(vet min)+*Dedmon(vet min)=54,638,790
CLE- Allen (20)+Mobley (8.9)+*Lopez(vet min)+*Ed Davis (vet min)=32,921,430
NYK- Robinson (15.6)+Hartenstien(9.2)+Sims (1.9)=26,854,835
BRK- Simmons (37.8)+Claxton(9.6)+Sharpe(2.2)=49,728,448
ATL- Capela (20.6)+Okongwu(8.1)=28,725,063
MIA- Bam(32.6)+*Love(~BAE)+*Zeller(vet min)+*Yurtseven(min)=40,617,687

*Estimates/Assumptions made on pending FA's. 

Dallas' spending on the center position under this proposed Ayton trade?- 41,811,618

7/16 teams will be spending much more than Dallas for at least the next 3 years (although those teams have an all-star at the position). Throw in MEM too if you want to count Jaren Jackson as a small ball 5. ATL, CLE, and SAC, are almost definitely going to surpass this amount when their rookies/FA's are up for an extension within the next year. 

Trading for Ayton is not this albatross people are making it out to be. His production is literally right there with the other all-star bigs that put up similar numbers and the Mavs would be right in line in terms of spending properly on the center position.

(06-27-2023, 01:34 AM)cow Wrote: I'd probably do that deal had Phoenix accepted.  

2 years at Holmes at 12 per and, 2 years of McGee at 6 per.   Ayton is only +14 and +16 more per year.  That third year sucks though.  Being rid of THJ would be nice too but we'd need to scrap heap another shooter.  It's too bad we've burned the Seth Curry relationship to the ground.  

I don't really believe the rumor though.  Phoenix would need to see Holmes as a usable piece, which I assume is possible.  THJ could be moved but I doubt you'd return better for him.  They'd most likely be stuck with both of them for two years.  Seems like they could get a better pu pu platter than that.  It's too bad we don't have something we could throw in to soften the McGee blow.  I'm guessing they don't want Reggie.

(06-27-2023, 02:42 AM)Branduil Wrote: I think it's two things:

1) Phoenix just needs bodies at this point. They have so much tied up in Booker/Ayton/KD/Beal that they can't build any kind of bench. So they would be adding THJ and Holmes as players (and getting off of Ayton's horrible deal)

2) I think Ayton is just toxic for them now. Probably because he doesn't want to do the hard work to win now.

(06-27-2023, 07:24 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I waffle on Ayton so much, but only because of the price tag to acquire.

I think the dump trade for Ayton might be fine (I think the change of scenery will at least have him working hard for the first year) IF the predicted Kyrie asking out after a year is a thing (no way we know for sure) and we can get a much better return on him than we gave.

At that point, his salary can be tolerable. Someone said earlier too, and I kinda liked the thought of Ayton eventually getting pushed to play harder (on a team he likes better hopefully) by Lively (and vice versa to prove himself worthy) and we trade the one that we like better so the other can shine (what Atl should be doing with Capela or Okongwu right now).

The other side of this waffle is exactly what we had with KP and what Dundalis just talked about. If he isn’t happy with being the 3-4th guy in Phx and thinks he’s more, how would that change here, unless we don’t resign Kyrie? We would be exactly the same stop as KP in his journey of discovering he isn’t that guy (KP recently said he could have had a better mindset in Dallas to make things work better with Luka). 

I guess I’ll just sit on the fence and if they pull that trigger I’ll be neither happy or upset, I’ll just wait and see.

(06-27-2023, 01:22 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: Person 1: And then the framework of that move just has happened, multiple times, actually. 

Person 2: Exactly. 

Person 1: So yeah, I would lose my shit. I would build a statue.

Person 2: I'd be a hypocrite

Person 1: I've already started to turn 3 weeks ago. 

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(06-27-2023, 05:59 AM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: https://twitter.com/YossiGozlan/status/1673423192889892864





Teams with the most cap space. Houston can do some damage.

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https://www.si.com/nba/mavericks/news/bruce-brown-javale-mcgee-dallas-mavs-free-agency-sign-rumor





If true, another gaff from the Mavs?

(06-27-2023, 08:01 AM)Jym Wrote: If it makes you feel any better, it's actually McGee plus Hardy on a 3 year deal where we get full bird rights
Had to use part of the MLE for that. Just regular 2nd round rights would have put him on a 2 year deal

(06-27-2023, 08:11 AM)IamDougieFresh Wrote: Trade your late first for a player that you don’t actually want

Have to trade multiple seconds to get back in for Hardy

Could have got Brown but have to split money

MCSHAQTIN 

Still not feeling great about it

(06-27-2023, 07:24 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I waffle on Ayton so much, but only because of the price tag to acquire.

I think the dump trade for Ayton might be fine (I think the change of scenery will at least have him working hard for the first year) IF the predicted Kyrie asking out after a year is a thing (no way we know for sure) and we can get a much better return on him than we gave.

At that point, his salary can be tolerable. Someone said earlier too, and I kinda liked the thought of Ayton eventually getting pushed to play harder (on a team he likes better hopefully) by Lively (and vice versa to prove himself worthy) and we trade the one that we like better so the other can shine (what Atl should be doing with Capela or Okongwu right now).

The other side of this waffle is exactly what we had with KP and what Dundalis just talked about. If he isn’t happy with being the 3-4th guy in Phx and thinks he’s more, how would that change here, unless we don’t resign Kyrie? We would be exactly the same stop as KP in his journey of discovering he isn’t that guy (KP recently said he could have had a better mindset in Dallas to make things work better with Luka). 

I guess I’ll just sit on the fence and if they pull that trigger I’ll be neither happy or upset, I’ll just wait and see.