(06-24-2023, 08:14 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Hopefully they have something more exciting than this, but a small move they could make would be Reggie for Kyle Anderson.  Each would fit better on their new team than their current.  Each is UFA in a year.

(06-24-2023, 08:52 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: https://twitter.com/esidery/status/1672279805176295425



Didn´t happen on draft day but they have to move at least one out of Capela/Hunter/Collins in the coming days/weeks.

One thing that would interest me is S.Bey into the remaining TPE combined with a salary saving move for the Hawks that features Bullock/THJ in exchange for Collins or Capela.

(06-24-2023, 12:28 PM)F Gump Wrote: Spotrac has jumped the gun on that trade by doing their sheets before the deal is actually finished. At this point, no one knows whether the TK will be paid, or if more teams/players might be added to the deal.

Let me add a trade idea that works from multiple angles IF the Mavs can get Bullock to extend his deadline:

Add-on to the OKC/SAC/DAL deal
Bullock (to be s-waived), McGee to ATL
Capela, Johnson to DAL
Holmes has to waive his TK (positive cap/tax implications for the Mavs)

End result -- Mavs are under Apron 1 and hard-capped, ATL is under tax line with room to spare. In fact, they could probably waive RB and not stretch him and still be under the tax line.

Quote:Trade talks between the Hawks and Mavericks were buzzing until 24 hours before the draft.

The Mavericks rejected "all proposals involving Collins," per @TheSteinLine.

(06-24-2023, 03:09 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Not sure why ATL would do this deal now if they wouldn't do it draft night and move up 5 spots

(06-24-2023, 03:47 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: https://twitter.com/noahweber00/status/1672644352542224384?s=46&t=Ofn9ihgBPdBFQJpnkEDS0A



If this is reported to be true it seems like Collins' contract is a deal-breaker no matter what. If so they need to find a 3rd team that wouldn't mind taking Collins and a guy like THJ as payment and the Mavs get either Hunter/Bey/Capela.

(06-24-2023, 03:47 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: https://twitter.com/noahweber00/status/1672644352542224384?s=46&t=Ofn9ihgBPdBFQJpnkEDS0A



If this is reported to be true it seems like Collins' contract is a deal-breaker no matter what. If so they need to find a 3rd team that wouldn't mind taking Collins and a guy like THJ as payment and the Mavs get either Hunter/Bey/Capela.

(06-24-2023, 01:53 PM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: Bullock doesn't bring more than Anderson, at least in my eyes. If Bullock isn't making shots, he's useless.  Anderson has more intangibles and makes winning plays. and although he's not better at shooting the 3, he's a better passer, rebounder, and defender. Why would the T-Pups even consider this?  JMO

(06-24-2023, 11:15 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I say what I mean. I also didn’t say “best we could hope for”, I said “best we should hope for”. There is a difference with the change of words and I mostly choose my words carefully due to responses like this. 

I haven’t seen anything that has Cuban and Nico talking so flippantly about resigning Kyrie, can I get a source on that? Everything I see is eerily similar to what they said about Brunson last year. 

Following Cuban as long as we have, we know Kyrie’s being retained is his strongest need for the team. I believe his confidence in retaining Kyrie is what has helped him relax the reigns a bit (as FGump recently talked about) on micro managing things. 

I also believe keeping Kyrie is more important than you are making it out to be. No one is interested in Luka playing hero ball and wearing himself out at the end of the season yet again (well, maybe you are). 

I also am pretty much certain that the FO is not going into negotiations with the take it or leave it attitude you are expressing. Kyrie will have at least 1 other option going into the negotiations or his agent (mother) isn’t doing their job. We already know Hou is a possibility, there could be another team to emerge, never know. You may think, fine, let him go there. I have no doubt our FO does not share that sentiment.

(06-25-2023, 02:02 AM)Dundalis Wrote: Both Nico and Cuban clearly intimated they would love to resign Kyrie, but either said it's not Kyrie or bust (Cuban), then Nico stated on the radio that while they want to resign Kyrie, they have now brought in players that will work regardless of whether he comes back or not. You can treat these comments as nothing, but this is NOT what you see from a FO that is planning to ensure a star resigns at all costs (it's night and day compared to Cuban's definitive contract extension comments after trading for KP for example, before KP had even stepped on the court).

(06-25-2023, 02:02 AM)Dundalis Wrote: Both Nico and Cuban clearly intimated they would love to resign Kyrie, but either said it's not Kyrie or bust (Cuban), then Nico stated on the radio that while they want to resign Kyrie, they have now brought in players that will work regardless of whether he comes back or not. You can treat these comments as nothing, but this is NOT what you see from a FO that is planning to ensure a star resigns at all costs (it's night and day compared to Cuban's definitive contract extension comments after trading for KP for example, before KP had even stepped on the court).

Luka wearing himself out has zero to do with how he's used (or at least much less than people keep harping on about) and everything to do with his conditioning. That's on him, no one else. Kyrie's TOP was not any greater than Dinwiddie's, or Brunson's before him. Luka has had guys take ball handling duties away from him well before Kyrie, and could have taken more off him, but HE wants the ball in his hands more often than not, no matter who's playing with him, Kyrie or otherwise.

At this point team success with Kyrie is purely assumed. Because the evidence is we had more success without him. Now I'm not saying Kyrie makes this team worse, but IMO a lot of what Kyrie does offensively is at least partially offset by the disadvantage of a small 6'2 guard defensively, and it has knock on effects. He also has off court issues that you simply can't ignore. We lock ourselves into a long term deal with Kyrie at our absolute peril IMO, his history is clear cut, the FO can think what they want, but the above comments give me hope they aren't going into the negotiations with absolute blinders on thinking that it's Kyrie or bust, because it simply isn't, and a WCF without him should at least be a partial indication of that.

(06-25-2023, 05:03 AM)Branduil Wrote: So, here's an idea which can't be done this offseason, but could during midseason: Kyrie to LAC for Paul George

(06-25-2023, 05:11 AM)Knutsen Wrote: Not interested at all - misses as many games and most of all is two years older than Kyrie, which makes the „timeline-match“ to Luka even worse.

(06-25-2023, 03:14 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Ok, if they said that on radio or after the draft, that’s fine. Doesn’t explain the way you described them going in there guns a blazin style, but sure, negotiations might be a bit less desperate than sign him at all costs. 

I think the $40M flat salary represents plenty of give and take from both sides (if they can negotiate it down to $40M declining, even better). I stand by my original post.