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RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Dame will take the week to think abt future| HOU likes Lopez - ItsGoTime - 06-23-2023

(06-23-2023, 11:46 AM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: Why so?
Not a defender.


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Dame will take the week to think abt future| HOU likes Lopez - Ghost of Podkolzin - 06-23-2023

(06-23-2023, 01:47 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Not a defender.

Roger that.

(06-23-2023, 01:42 PM)Jym Wrote: That ship has sailed

Ships don't sail until they sail.


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Dame will take the week to think abt future| HOU likes Lopez - Ghost of Podkolzin - 06-23-2023

(06-23-2023, 01:19 PM)F Gump Wrote: One possible route is to just fill in the open slots with free agents, in whatever way the CBA allows.

The current roster is
C - Holmes, Lively, McGee
PF - Maxi, Prosper
SF - Luka, THJ
SG - Green, Bullock
PG - Kyrie, Hardy

Assuming Kyrie at the same salary as Luka (a bit over 40M), and a cap that lands at the highest possible number ($136,0210,000 - a hair over the 136M just projected), we can calculate where the tax line will likely land, and also the other numbers like MLEs, BAE, minimums, rookie scale. The exact numbers get announced in early July, and some may be rounded (which is NBA's pattern).

But using the likely numbers, and assuming Mavs sign 14 (the minimum) rather than 15, the Mavs have 3 players left to sign, with the following money available:

NonTxMLE  approx  12.405M
1 One-Year Veteran Minimum  approx  2.0197M
BAE (maybe just missing a sliver)  4.515M  (Mavs may not quite have enough for all of this, or want to leave a bit of a cushion)

How would they fill in those blanks? Who might they target with MLE, BAE, minimum?

Of course, if they make a trade, the totals change, so these calculations may become irrelevant, and it may also change the number of slots being filled.

Or if they decide they want 15 players, then the BAE gets scrapped and they land at 171.5M with a small cushion under the 172M-or-so hard cap. In which case, it's MLE, minimum, minimum, minimum.

Or if some team wants Wood in a snt, then the player(s) in return will use that money and fill in those 3 slots to some degree.

The only FA I could see fitting our NonTxMLE and need is Naz Reid.  All other spots will have to be trades.


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Dame will take the week to think abt future| HOU likes Lopez - Nowitzki Way - 06-23-2023

I think its almost 100% that Wood and Dallas are over.

But looking at how the roster is shaping up, he is exactly what this team needs right now.  6'10 versatile scoring forward.  Yes his defense is atrocious, and i wish he'd rebound more. 

You put Wood in the starting lineup with Luka, Kyrie, Green, and Holmes/Maxi. Not worst starting 5 (maybe worst defensively).


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Dame will take the week to think abt future| HOU likes Lopez - Ghost of Podkolzin - 06-23-2023

(06-23-2023, 02:01 PM)Nowitzki Way Wrote: I think its almost 100% that Wood and Dallas are over.

But looking at how the roster is shaping up, he is exactly what this team needs right now.  6'10 versatile scoring forward.  Yes his defense is atrocious, and i wish he'd rebound more. 

You put Wood in the starting lineup with Luka, Kyrie, Green, and Holmes/Maxi. Not worst starting 5 (maybe worst defensively).

He's actually a really good rebounder.  With Lively and 2 more stud defensive bigs, you should be able to scheme around his defensive woes.  I would use him how Michael Porter Jr is used in the Nugs defense.


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Dame will take the week to think abt future| HOU likes Lopez - cow - 06-23-2023

Wood hates Kidd. Kidd hates Wood. Wood would probably take less to go just about anywhere else and other teams would almost assuredly pay him what the Mavs would be willing to offer. Wood feels like a Wizard to me.


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Dame will take the week to think abt future| HOU likes Lopez - michaeltex - 06-23-2023

We don't currently have a roster thread, so I'll ask a question here...

Is this adios to Powell? Or does last night's activity just take away any real leverage for anything more than a vet minimum contract? I know he's "family" but paying him significantly (or at all) is surely part of the the scenario during FA over the next few weeks.

I'm OK keeping him at the minimum as an EOB insurance policy.


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Dame will take the week to think abt future| HOU likes Lopez - Jmaciscool - 06-23-2023

(06-23-2023, 02:11 PM)cow Wrote: Wood hates Kidd.  Kidd hates Wood.  Wood would probably take less to go just about anywhere else and other teams would almost assuredly pay him what the Mavs would be willing to offer.  Wood feels like a Wizard to me.

Other teams don't seem to be interested in him either though based on recent trade markets.  Feels like there's something else that NBA execs are seeing that's preventing him from sticking around.  

Hoping we can S&T him somewhere, but just seems like he's not a player many (any?) teams want.


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Dame will take the week to think abt future| HOU likes Lopez - dirkfansince1998 - 06-23-2023

(06-23-2023, 02:09 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: He's actually a really good rebounder.  With Lively and 2 more stud defensive bigs, you should be able to scheme around his defensive woes.  I would use him how Michael Porter Jr is used in the Nugs defense.

Porter JR defends wings and forwards. Mostly on the perimeter. Basically in an onball only role because his team defense is beyond bad (when the Nuggets defense collapsed or gave up an open look more often than not he messed up a rotation or switch).
Wood has been at his best when he is allowed to stay close to the rim. Has been really bad when teams asked him to step out on the perimeter. I guess bad team defense is a similarity but I don´t think you can hide Wood on one of the opposing wings/forwards. Not to mention that this should be Luka´s role on defense. If you have Luka and a center on the floor the other guys need be able to move their feet on defense.

But as others stated. I don´t think it is even worth the discussion. Wood is gone.


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Dame will take the week to think abt future| HOU likes Lopez - Ghost of Podkolzin - 06-23-2023

(06-23-2023, 02:11 PM)cow Wrote: Wood hates Kidd.  Kidd hates Wood.  Wood would probably take less to go just about anywhere else and other teams would almost assuredly pay him what the Mavs would be willing to offer.  Wood feels like a Wizard to me.

Looking at our roster, this team needs Wood a hell of a lot more than it needs Kidd.  I would put Kidd on a performance plan, making the no 2 objective to make nice and make Wood work.


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Dame will take the week to think abt future| HOU likes Lopez - Jmaciscool - 06-23-2023

(06-23-2023, 02:19 PM)michaeltex Wrote: We don't currently have a roster thread, so I'll ask a question here...

Is this adios to Powell? Or does last night's activity just take away any real leverage for anything more than a vet minimum contract? I know he's "family" but paying him significantly (or at all) is surely part of the the scenario during FA over the next few weeks.

I'm OK keeping him at the minimum as an EOB insurance policy.

I think he might be back on vet min/small contract, but I feel like they tried to say adios to him last year by signing Javale but it obviously didn't work out and forced them to play Powell more than they had hoped imo.


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Dame will take the week to think abt future| HOU likes Lopez - Jym - 06-23-2023

(06-23-2023, 02:19 PM)michaeltex Wrote: We don't currently have a roster thread, so I'll ask a question here...

Is this adios to Powell? Or does last night's activity just take away any real leverage for anything more than a vet minimum contract? I know he's "family" but paying him significantly (or at all) is surely part of the the scenario during FA over the next few weeks.

I'm OK keeping him at the minimum as an EOB insurance policy.

Just feels like we have too many other holes to waste a spot on another center.
I'd love for him to stick around on the min though if we do some type of move that dumps McGee's money


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Dame will take the week to think abt future| HOU likes Lopez - michaeltex - 06-23-2023

(06-23-2023, 02:21 PM)Jmaciscool Wrote: I think he might be back on vet min/small contract, but I feel like they tried to say adios to him last year by signing Javale but it obviously didn't work out and forced them to play Powell more than they had hoped imo.

Sometimes you just have to isolate yourself from the object of your addiction...

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RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Dame will take the week to think abt future| HOU likes Lopez - Nowitzki Way - 06-23-2023

With Wood its all attitude, chemistry, personality, etc., etc.

Kidd hates Wood. And i'm sure Wood hates him. I dont think he and Luka like each other very much either.

Wood is gone. Kidd and staff completely mismanaged him last year. Forcing him to earn a starting spot, only to promise his spot to Javale Freaking McGee.

Then Wood slides into the spot due to injuries and puts up his best numbers. Only to be sent back to the bench and minutes dropped.

None of this takes away from the fact that he's talented. His skills fit nicely on this team. I wish it would have worked out.


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Dame will take the week to think abt future| HOU likes Lopez - cow - 06-23-2023

(06-23-2023, 02:19 PM)michaeltex Wrote: We don't currently have a roster thread, so I'll ask a question here...

Is this adios to Powell? Or does last night's activity just take away any real leverage for anything more than a vet minimum contract? I know he's "family" but paying him significantly (or at all) is surely part of the the scenario during FA over the next few weeks.

I'm OK keeping him at the minimum as an EOB insurance policy.

I think he'll be back on a vet minimum deal.


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Dame will take the week to think abt future| HOU likes Lopez - SleepingHero - 06-23-2023

(06-23-2023, 01:40 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: That is a worse rebounding team than this year.  If we play Luka with 2 guards, the 2 bigs have to be really good rebounders.  Maxi is our only switching defender, but his rebounding is terrible, not to mention his availability.

Unless a Wood SNT is involved with deal for a defensive and rebounding big, we need his rebounding and him as a third scorer.

I think you're underestimating how good of a box-out guy/rebounder Holmes is, and also forgetting how poor of a team rebounder Wood was.

Just that change alone should radically help with rebounding.

https://twitter.com/thenbacentral/status/1672322807647068161?s=46&t=Fmdr94oXagcEyy75KJqaFg

Former NBA executive believes Warriors are ‘sweating’ at idea of Draymond Green joining Kings: https://t.co/MowE5dSVnf


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Dame will take the week to think abt future| HOU likes Lopez - DanSchwartzgan - 06-23-2023

(06-23-2023, 02:19 PM)michaeltex Wrote: We don't currently have a roster thread, so I'll ask a question here...

Is this adios to Powell? Or does last night's activity just take away any real leverage for anything more than a vet minimum contract? I know he's "family" but paying him significantly (or at all) is surely part of the the scenario during FA over the next few weeks.

I'm OK keeping him at the minimum as an EOB insurance policy.

I don't see a world in which we employ Powell, Holmes, Lively and McGee.  So, if the last three stick, I think Powell is gone.  If there is a deal that moves McGee...or if Holmes is part of something else, then maybe they bring back Powell.

There is some sentiment about moving THJ next.  If you think back to the days leading up to the draft, expiring and NG Bullock seems the more likely outgoing piece.  We can argue about the relative merits of the two players on our roster, but it is pretty clear to me that salary dumpers will probably prefer Bullock.


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Dame will take the week to think abt future| HOU likes Lopez - Ghost of Podkolzin - 06-23-2023

(06-23-2023, 02:19 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Porter JR defends wings and forwards. Mostly on the perimeter. Basically in a onball only role because his team defense is beyond bad (when the Nuggets defense collapsed or gave up an open look more often than not he messed up a rotation or switch).
Wood has been at his best when he is allowed to stay close to the rim. Has been really bad when teams asked him to step out on the perimeter. I guess bad team defense is a similarity but I don´t think you can hide Wood on one of the opposing wings/forwards. Not to mention that this should be Luka´s role on defense. If you have Luka and a center on the floor the other guys need be able to move their feet on defense.

But as others stated. I don´t think it is even worth the discussion. Wood is gone.

Meh.  I think that's Kidd's hate spewing becoming fan's opinions more than anything.

Wood's # of contested # of 3's (1.9),  3ptA (3.5),and his 3ptDfg% (35.6) are both above average for a Forward.  It's much better than MPJ's 1.4, 3.1, and 37.2 in fewer minutes.  I'm not saying he's Draymond Green, but he should be used on the perimeter more like MPJ.


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Dame will take the week to think abt future| HOU likes Lopez - cow - 06-23-2023

(06-23-2023, 02:49 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: I don't see a world in which we employ Powell, Holmes, Lively and McGee.  So, if the last three stick, I think Powell is gone.  If there is a deal that moves McGee...or if Holmes is part of something else, then maybe they bring back Powell.

There is some sentiment about moving THJ next.  If you think back to the days leading up to the draft, expiring and NG Bullock seems the more likely outgoing piece.  We can argue about the relative merits of the two players on our roster, but it is pretty clear to me that salary dumpers will probably prefer Bullock.

Powell is the culture torch barer and can actually contribute.  If he takes a vet minimum, I think he's here.   Seems like we'll have the space. What am I missing from our roster?

1.  Luka
2.  Kyrie
3.  THJ
4.  Bullock
5.  Maxi
6.  McGod
7.  Josh
8.  Jaden
9.  Lively
10.  Holmes
11.  Prosper
12.  BAE
13.  MLE
14.  ???
15.  ???
2W1:  Miles
2W2:  ???


RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Dame will take the week to think abt future| HOU likes Lopez - Ghost of Podkolzin - 06-23-2023

(06-23-2023, 02:46 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: I think you're underestimating how good of a box-out guy/rebounder Holmes is, and also forgetting how poor of a team rebounder Wood was.

Just that change alone should radically help with rebounding.

https://twitter.com/thenbacentral/status/1672322807647068161?s=46&t=Fmdr94oXagcEyy75KJqaFg

Former NBA executive believes Warriors are ‘sweating’ at idea of Draymond Green joining Kings: https://t.co/MowE5dSVnf

in 2022/23 Wood was superior to Holmes in both categories.  Not close.  If you want to use Holmes as of 3 seasons ago, I don't do the Delorean thing.  

Wood last year ranked on the Mavs:
*defensive rebounds - 2nd (to Luka)
*defensive rebound rate - 1st
*box-outs resulting in team rebounds -- 2nd (to Maxi)