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RE: Mavs Trade Ideas + Salary Chart - StepBackJay - 12-23-2019
(12-23-2019, 05:19 AM)Branduil Wrote: We need a wing defender
Who is available? Mavs still are linked to Iguodala despite Stein, Brad saying they aren't interested. Windhorst reported the other day to watch out for the Mavs still. Iggy's contract is hard to trade and the Mavs are one of the only teams that actually makes sense thanks to the Lee contract. I think a 2nd round pick and Lee gets it done. No reason to have to give up the GSW pick for a rental.
If not Iggy you have Crowder. His shooting is pretty bad and he's on a bad Grizzlies team. Mavs have the TE they could package with a 2nd. I wouldn't mind getting Iggy and Crowder. Talk about depth. That would require releasing Isaiah Roby who they gave a 4 year deal to. I suspect the Mavs like him for whatever reason so my guess is that it's unlikely they release him.
Aminu was an interesting name but he tore meniscus in his knee and is on a multi-year deal so I think that ship has sailed.
Covington I think would be too pricey to get. There are some offensive wings out there but not many defensive specialists.
RE: Mavs Trade Ideas + Salary Chart - omahen - 12-23-2019
(12-23-2019, 09:48 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: That would require releasing
First one on the release list is Ryan from Accounting. He is expiring and there will most likely not be room on the roster next season (12 guaranteed contracts plus 3 picks incoming). So ship him to Philly for a second rounder or two.
RE: Mavs Trade Ideas + Salary Chart - StepBackJay - 12-23-2019
(12-22-2019, 07:42 PM)SportPsychMav Wrote:(12-22-2019, 07:41 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Man I really want another big in this rotation.
Drummond or Adams might disrupt the 5 out possibility but I'd still like them.
Seeing Hawks interest in Adams which would make a lot of sense. They have zero rim protection. Hawks have some young pieces, not sure how many of those are valuable to OKC.
(12-23-2019, 10:02 AM)omahen Wrote:(12-23-2019, 09:48 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: That would require releasing
First one on the release list is Ryan from Accounting. He is expiring and there will most likely not be room on the roster next season (12 guaranteed contracts plus 3 picks incoming). So ship him to Philly for a second rounder or two.
I used to think Ryan from accounting but now he has replaced Jackson in the rotation. On very low volume he's shooting 53%!! from 3. I think the eye test shows you defenses definitely respect his shot and will close out hard. He gives you spacing on offense and tries hard on defense (unlike Jackson). You would definitely not have to release him. There would be a team out there that would give you a 2nd round pick as you say. I think it's likely that he stays. Mavs are just not a team that sells off guys on expiring deals which has been a frustration of mine for some time.
RE: Mavs Trade Ideas + Salary Chart - omahen - 12-23-2019
(12-23-2019, 10:02 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: Mavs are just not a team that sells off guys on expiring deals which has been a frustration of mine for some time.
They had no problems doing it to Mejri last season to execute the Barnes trade. They did brought him back, though. Releasing Roby would be much more expensive - why did they give him 4 year contract in the first place, if they did that
RE: Mavs Trade Ideas + Salary Chart - StepBackJay - 12-23-2019
(12-23-2019, 10:14 AM)omahen Wrote:(12-23-2019, 10:02 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: Mavs are just not a team that sells off guys on expiring deals which has been a frustration of mine for some time.
They had no problems doing it to Mejri last season to execute the Barnes trade. They did brought him back, though. Releasing Roby would be much more expensive - why did they give him 4 year contract in the first place, if they did that
Right they were willing to lose Mejri. I don't think they will release Roby. Lee is a guy they are willing to ship off. I am just saying it's unlikely in my view that Mavs add 2 new players. Lee for somebody is very likely. With Broekhoff he is too valuable to release. He'd get snatched up by someone immediately bc every team can make room for a shooter.
RE: Mavs Trade Ideas + Salary Chart - omahen - 12-23-2019
(12-23-2019, 10:19 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: I am just saying it's unlikely in my view that Mavs add 2 new players.
Well, you were speculating about Crowder to TE. This means releasing someone. Of course you can release Lee
RE: Mavs Trade Ideas + Salary Chart - StepBackJay - 12-23-2019
Davis Bertans isn't a defensive wing but would be a good get if Mavs wanted to swap him for Jackson. I think the Wiz would consider that a win in that Jackson also has a lot of offensive power and is under contract next year. Mavs would get a devastating shooter. We have assumed Mavs will opt out of 2020 free agency but are we so sure? Mavs could get in the mix if they traded THJ, Jackson away.
Montrezi Harrell will be a UFA and would be an amazing target. You could potentially pry him away from the Clippers with a max deal or at least 20+ mil/yr type of deal.
Favors will be a UFA and cheaper. You have some 1 yr rental type of guys like Milsap, Gasol, Ibaka, Biyombo, Dragic, Marcus Morris. Anyway how ab you sell off Hardaway + GSW in the summer, ship off Jackson now or later and rock some Dragic, Favors in the lineup?
Dragic, Doncic, DFS, Favors, KP. Considering Giannis is very unlikely to leave the Bucks I think 2020 actually could make more sense for the Mavs than 2021 which features a lot of aging stars that still will require multi-year deals.
(12-23-2019, 10:31 AM)omahen Wrote:(12-23-2019, 10:19 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: I am just saying it's unlikely in my view that Mavs add 2 new players.
Well, you were speculating about Crowder to TE. This means releasing someone. Of course you can release Lee
Ya that's definitely one option. That would still be a good get for the Mavs.
RE: Mavs Trade Ideas + Salary Chart - deronjohn - 12-25-2019
Not sure if the Lakers would do this but I wonder if this would go down
Lakers Receive
Zach Lavine
Kris Dunn
Bulls Receive
Kyle Kuzma
KCP
Courtney Lee (Buyout)
Golden St. 2nd
Utah 2nd.
Mavericks Receive
Danny Green
RE: Mavs Trade Ideas + Salary Chart - StepBackJay - 12-25-2019
Lakers aren't going to ship off Green. They are looking to add to, not subtract. I think Kuzma eventually is moved for a better fitting player.
RE: Mavs Trade Ideas + Salary Chart - HanspardsShowerVoice - 12-25-2019
Kuzma for RoCo makes sense to me. Lakers will need to add in some short term salary. RoCo can let Lebron rest on defense. Kuzma is a longterm piece the Wolves can build around. He is a stretch 4 by nature, could slot in nicely with KAT, Maple Jordan and Culver
RE: Mavs Trade Ideas + Salary Chart - StepBackJay - 12-26-2019
Kat and Kuzma would not be the best defensive frontcourt
RE: Mavs Trade Ideas + Salary Chart - omahen - 12-26-2019
Nice little note for everyone hyping about 2021 FA.
https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1210042006279458822
RE: Mavs Trade Ideas + Salary Chart - Mavs2019 - 12-26-2019
(12-26-2019, 02:22 PM)omahen Wrote: Nice little note for everyone hyping about 2021 FA.Who wants Bron, AD or Kawhi?
https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1210042006279458822
We want Giannis and Oladipo. If we can manage to get them, the LA teams would have to merge to hang with us.
On a serious note, if (loyal) smaller market players like Giannis, Gobert, Oladipo ever decided to leave their successful teams, it would have to be for a team that virtually guarantees immediate improvement and sustained success. There is only one team that has THE DON.
RE: Mavs Trade Ideas + Salary Chart - dirkfansince1998 - 12-26-2019
Still think that Favors would be the perfect fit next to KP. After early struggles and some injury problems he is back to his usual reliable self.
9/11/3 + 2 blocks over the last 5 games.
He really showed his value in last nights game vs Denver. Great defense vs Jokic. He has to be one of the strongest players in the league and for someone of his size and weight he has good foot speed.
RE: Mavs Trade Ideas + Salary Chart - cow - 12-26-2019
(12-26-2019, 03:03 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Still think that Favors would be the perfect fit next to KP. After early struggles and some injury problems he is back to his usual reliable self.
9/11/3 + 2 blocks over the last 5 games.
He really showed his value in last nights game vs Denver. Great defense vs Jokic. He has to be one of the strongest players in the league and for someone of his size and weight he has good foot speed.
I actually watched Favors play the other day. It looks like he has increased his playing weight considerably. /random aside.
RE: Mavs Trade Ideas + Salary Chart - dirkfansince1998 - 12-26-2019
(12-26-2019, 05:39 PM)cow Wrote:(12-26-2019, 03:03 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Still think that Favors would be the perfect fit next to KP. After early struggles and some injury problems he is back to his usual reliable self.
9/11/3 + 2 blocks over the last 5 games.
He really showed his value in last nights game vs Denver. Great defense vs Jokic. He has to be one of the strongest players in the league and for someone of his size and weight he has good foot speed.
I actually watched Favors play the other day. It looks like he has increased his playing weight considerably. /random aside.
I think next to Gobert he made some adjustment to improve his movement on the perimeter. That probably included less weight. Now that he is playing fulltime center the additional weight is probably benefitial against the bigger matchups.
I was really impressed by his post defense against Jokic who is one of the strongest players in the league himself. Jokic went all out to back Favors down and couldn´t move him at all. Same on the other side of the floor. Favors is a walking brick wall. His screens are incredible.
RE: Mavs Trade Ideas + Salary Chart - Dundalis - 12-27-2019
Did anyone actually listen to Rick's postgame presser?
Because if you did, there is no more candid way for the coach to say what I've been saying for a while now about the type of players needed to fit into this teams system.
There's no way you can listen to that and think the Mavs would have remotely any interest in bringing in a bunch of the bigs we've identified as trade targets. If they can't shoot the 3 or aren't high level roll threats (basically be effective spending the majority of their time on offense standing on the 3 point line), there's no point talking about them (unless they can do what Boban does better, and are willing to play a similar bit part role).
RE: Mavs Trade Ideas + Salary Chart - DanSchwartzgan - 12-27-2019
(12-27-2019, 07:17 AM)Dundalis Wrote: Did anyone actually listen to Rick's postgame presser?
Because if you did, there is no more candid way for the coach to say what I've been saying for a while now about the type of players needed to fit into this teams system.
There's no way you can listen to that and think the Mavs would have remotely any interest in bringing in a bunch of the bigs we've identified as trade targets. If they can't shoot the 3 or aren't high level roll threats (basically be effective spending the majority of their time on offense standing on the 3 point line), there's no point talking about them (unless they can do what Boban does better, and are willing to play a similar bit part role).
There are two reasons (three if you count the misguided opinions of some here regarding Powell) for considering the addition of some kind of big man.
1. Depth. I'm not sure we survive a Powell or Maxi or KP injury nearly as well as we did the Luka injury. We are extremely thin up front and don't have a good answer if one of them goes down.
2. Post D. Dallas seems happy to leave Powell on an island guarding the Aldridge's and Davis's of the world. It isn't a good look as they score fairly easily on him (of course, we've played pretty well against teams with the biggest bigs...maybe Carlisle is onto something)
I think you are right about bigs either needing to be good PnR guys or 3 point shooters (or both). I loved the idea of adding Favors last year and summer. He's in the 28% percentile of roll men this year, but last year, on a team with no spacing but a good PG, he was in the 72nd percentile. I'm not sure where the minutes would come from, but I like the idea of adding someone more mobile that Boban to the front court, but big enough to hold their own on post D. Do you trade for him? Or use the MLE this summer?
John Henson is a REALLY good defender and has been hitting his corner 3's the last two seasons. He'd be really cheap to acquire and wouldn't command 30 minutes a night like some bigger name bigs. Former Mav's summer league player Christian Wood hits 3's and is a top roll man. Good name to keep an eye on this summer as he is unrestricted. He and Bruce Brown are actually the guys I'm interested in from Detroit...not the bigger dollar bigger name guys. Bertans and Harrell are two other summer names. Even someone like Meyers Leonard would be a fit and wouldn't cost a ton. Dieng is a good defender and a good roll man, but you'd have to pay me something to take on his money and Minnesota is thin on currency. I don't think we need a star big and we certainly don't need a back to the basket guy who ruins our spacing. Anyone who watches the video posted about how the bigger ball dominant players like Luka, Hardin and Lebron are changing the game know exactly what their teams value and you've nailed it.
RE: Mavs Trade Ideas + Salary Chart - ThisIStheYear - 12-27-2019
(12-27-2019, 07:17 AM)Dundalis Wrote: Did anyone actually listen to Rick's postgame presser?
Because if you did, there is no more candid way for the coach to say what I've been saying for a while now about the type of players needed to fit into this teams system.
There's no way you can listen to that and think the Mavs would have remotely any interest in bringing in a bunch of the bigs we've identified as trade targets. If they can't shoot the 3 or aren't high level roll threats (basically be effective spending the majority of their time on offense standing on the 3 point line), there's no point talking about them (unless they can do what Boban does better, and are willing to play a similar bit part role).
This seems true to me. The Mavs are a bit thin depth wise and need to hope for good health in their big man rotation, but doesn’t everybody. Otherwise, the big man rotation is full, and it’s fine.
As the rotation has shaken out, it’s becoming clear to me that the biggest need is a player who can be effective in limited minutes (~15) as a wing defender while holding his own on the offensive side (Jackson has failed in this role). Iggy had some impressive stats last year in a role like this. He’s available. He can be acquired without mortgaging the future. He’s the man for the job. Time to pull the trigger.
RE: Mavs Trade Ideas + Salary Chart - StepBackJay - 12-27-2019
(12-27-2019, 07:17 AM)Dundalis Wrote: Did anyone actually listen to Rick's postgame presser?
Because if you did, there is no more candid way for the coach to say what I've been saying for a while now about the type of players needed to fit into this teams system.
There's no way you can listen to that and think the Mavs would have remotely any interest in bringing in a bunch of the bigs we've identified as trade targets. If they can't shoot the 3 or aren't high level roll threats (basically be effective spending the majority of their time on offense standing on the 3 point line), there's no point talking about them (unless they can do what Boban does better, and are willing to play a similar bit part role).
I think I agree but not if you are saying Mavs shouldn't get Favors. Favors can play the same role Powell does but play better defense and rebound. Powell's defense is still a real problem. He got lit up again by Aldridge. I imagine Favors would have had more success making LA uncomfortable. Now to Powell's credit he lot up LA on the other end with several alley oops. Favors can roll to the basket as well. You can have both players. Mavs need more depth anyway. Powell would be much better suited off the bench where his defensive shortcomings are not exposed. Favors can still roll to the rim with Luka.