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RE: Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart - StepBackJay - 08-07-2020
(08-06-2020, 03:06 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote:(08-06-2020, 01:04 PM)StepBackJay Wrote:Aminu would be a nice addition, too. Unfortunately there seems to be nothing on there side to balance the salaries with THJ, though I´d take Fultz or Bamba.(08-06-2020, 09:28 AM)michaeltex Wrote:(08-06-2020, 12:15 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote:(08-05-2020, 05:17 PM)chaparral Wrote: What do you all think about adding Avery Bradley? He has a PO this offseason and is a Duffy client. Would he rate the full 3 year MLE or could we split to match his 2021 salary of 5 mil. You could start him at SG and move Curry back to the bench, also this would keep THJ at SF.
If the Mavs could do that and then find a way to acquire Favors, Aaron Gordon, or perhaps IGT's OPJ, then I'm not sure it would be a complete/great offseason, but at least we'd be fielding a far better team than this year.
I'm OK with Gordon or OPJ, not sure Favors does anything to improve the team. Of the other two, I'd say OPJ is the best chance. I think NOP are much less likely to let Gordon go with Isaac's injury.
Not sure ab that they have tons of bigs. They have Vuc and Bamba at the center spot then remember Aminu who is there and capable of manning the PF spot. I can't imagine they think they will be locking up Gordon long term so they still need to move him.
Aminu leads the Magic in DRPM ahead of Isaac.
I like Aminu if you can get him for Wright. Wright is a good player that doesn't fit our system and I think Orlando (or some other team) would have more use for him. Aminu is the PF/C hybrid Rick likes and Aminu plays bigger than DFS imo (despite the fact they are similar size I think on paper).
I don't imagine Mavs would go in that direction as they probably would have bigger plans but Aminu for Wright would be an upgrade here.
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart - SleepingHero - 08-07-2020
(08-07-2020, 10:33 AM)Mavs2019 Wrote: If those numbers are accurate, he´d have to pay €5.2M out of his own pockets. How much are teams willing to pay for (best case) 29 year old JJB?
I think the real question is can Campazzo be better than Wright as a 3rd guard off the bench? Just from watching his highlights he looks like a microwave off the bench and isn't afraid to make a play. He has good shooting mechanics and a seems like a pest on defense. We desperately need another creator for when Luka isn't in the game. And while we sorta have that with Brunson, it couldn't hurt to have another more experienced guard with past ties with Luka and a history of playing in big games.
I'd give him 6m a year for 3 years with a team option the last year. 3 mil less than Wright and lets us actually explore dumping Wright for nothing. Add onto the Real connection with Doncic and his experience in big games, I think Campazzo would be a valued pickup, especially given his reputation as one of the best players not in the NBA right now.
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart - omahen - 08-07-2020
(08-07-2020, 02:47 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: I'd give him 6m a year for 3 years with a team option the last year.
Huh, very generous in my opinion. I think best comparison for Campazzo is TJ McConnel. Would you pay him 6 mil per and bring him as your first guard of the bench? I like both players but there are limits to what they can do.
(08-07-2020, 02:47 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: I think the real question is can Campazzo be better than Wright as a 3rd guard off the bench?
You didn't really set a high bar here
A lot of NBA back up PG are better than Wright. A lot of them play for vet min.
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart - Mavs2019 - 08-07-2020
(08-07-2020, 02:47 PM)SleepingHero Wrote:Good luck with that.(08-07-2020, 10:33 AM)Mavs2019 Wrote: If those numbers are accurate, he´d have to pay €5.2M out of his own pockets. How much are teams willing to pay for (best case) 29 year old JJB?
I think the real question is can Campazzo be better than Wright as a 3rd guard off the bench? Just from watching his highlights he looks like a microwave off the bench and isn't afraid to make a play. He has good shooting mechanics and a seems like a pest on defense. We desperately need another creator for when Luka isn't in the game. And while we sorta have that with Brunson, it couldn't hurt to have another more experienced guard with past ties with Luka and a history of playing in big games.
I'd give him 6m a year for 3 years with a team option the last year. 3 mil less than Wright and lets us actually explore dumping Wright for nothing. Add onto the Real connection with Doncic and his experience in big games, I think Campazzo would be a valued pickup, especially given his reputation as one of the best players not in the NBA right now.
Who wants to pay a borderline back-up PG $9M a year?
Maybe the Bulls would do Wright +2nd for Felicio´s expiring contract or Wright+ THJ for OPJ+Felicio, which saves them about $5M in salaries. Though that increases the chance of them re-signing Dunn, who could be a Mavs target.
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart - DanSchwartzgan - 08-07-2020
(08-07-2020, 02:47 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: I think the real question is can Campazzo be better than Wright as a 3rd guard off the bench? We desperately need another creator for when Luka isn't in the game. And while we sorta have that with Brunson, it couldn't hurt to have another more experienced guard with past ties with Luka and a history of playing in big games.
I'd give him 6m a year for 3 years with a team option the last year.
I won't pretend to have any insight into the player, but logic would dictate he's looking for money in the range you propose. The only way we get there is a big part of the MLE or trough cap space we don't have (unless THJ opts out and leaves...highly unlikely in my book).
So if we stick to the MLE theory, that uses up a major way to improve the team this off-season. If this is the plan then my questions are:
1. Is this role something we absolutely need? I'd say the roll is on-ball/off-ball PG. In other words, a PG who can play with Luka and can also run the show without Luka. I like Brunson, but he hasn't shown that ability and clearly Wright hasn't either. I have said the teams pursuit of Kemba indicates they thought this type of player was needed. If Campazzo can fill that role, it helps in many ways including late game execution.
2. Does using the MLE in this way free up trade assets for something else. I realize everyone wants to dump Wright, and that could certainly happen. Seems to me the asset that would be freed up in such a scenario is Brunson. Is there a team looking for a great backup PG who has a shot of growing into a lower/middle end starter.
We tend to start our proposals based on who we want to get rid of or who we covet. It is probably more realistic to try to find the team that might have some interest in what we have. Feels like a short list to me. What it comes down to is Campazzo plus trade asset better than just using the MLE for some other position and retaining Brunson?
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart - Scott41theMavs - 08-07-2020
(08-07-2020, 05:52 PM)DanSchwartzman Wrote:(08-07-2020, 02:47 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: I think the real question is can Campazzo be better than Wright as a 3rd guard off the bench? We desperately need another creator for when Luka isn't in the game. And while we sorta have that with Brunson, it couldn't hurt to have another more experienced guard with past ties with Luka and a history of playing in big games.
I'd give him 6m a year for 3 years with a team option the last year.
I won't pretend to have any insight into the player, but logic would dictate he's looking for money in the range you propose. The only way we get there is a big part of the MLE or trough cap space we don't have (unless THJ opts out and leaves...highly unlikely in my book).
So if we stick to the MLE theory, that uses up a major way to improve the team this off-season. If this is the plan then my questions are:
1. Is this role something we absolutely need? I'd say the roll is on-ball/off-ball PG. In other words, a PG who can play with Luka and can also run the show without Luka. I like Brunson, but he hasn't shown that ability and clearly Wright hasn't either. I have said the teams pursuit of Kemba indicates they thought this type of player was needed. If Campazzo can fill that role, it helps in many ways including late game execution.
2. Does using the MLE in this way free up trade assets for something else. I realize everyone wants to dump Wright, and that could certainly happen. Seems to me the asset that would be freed up in such a scenario is Brunson. Is there a team looking for a great backup PG who has a shot of growing into a lower/middle end starter.
We tend to start our proposals based on who we want to get rid of or who we covet. It is probably more realistic to try to find the team that might have some interest in what we have. Feels like a short list to me. What it comes down to is Campazzo plus trade asset better than just using the MLE for some other position and retaining Brunson?
Thoughtful post as always, Dan. At this point, I am willing to see moves that get rid of anyone short of Luka and KP if it makes the team better. I don't think there's enough talent on this roster around those two to worry to any extent about continuity. Let's get three playoff-level-competent starters around Luka and Kristaps and then start worrying about continuity. I like Seth and especially Maxi a lot, but if the right trades come around, bye-now to both. I don't want to see the Mavs hold on to anyone outside of Luka/KP out of nostalgia, continuity, team loyalty, you name it. The closest thing to an exception to that might actually be Bobi, given Luka's offcourt rapport with him.
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart - chaparral - 08-07-2020
Reading all the trade ideas yesterday and today got me thinking of combining a lot of the players mentioned. So lets start with the draft. In this scenario the Mavs keep both pick as to try and Home Grow there own.
With the 18th pick we take SG Josh Green and the 31st pick we take SF Robert Woodard III. Green could turn into the 3 & D SG of the future and Woodard might be that twiner 3/4 the Mavs like?
Next on to trades;
1. Porter's name came up again w/ Hardaway as part of the out going player. I would include Jackson as part of this deal to make the salary matching better for the Mavs. The Bulls do this deal to save $ 4.4 mil for the 2021 season.
2. Aminu was mentioned in a trade w/ Wright. I do this straight up and the ORL does it as well to save money in 2021 and 2022.
3. Euro and Luka friend Campazzo is the current days talk. So w/ most of the MLE give it to Campazzo and Brunson and him can battle for the 2nd PG spot.
4. With the rest of the MLE give it to Isaiah Hartenstein or Harry Giles?
5. Resign Lee for the vet min.
So the line-up is :
Porzingis / Powell / Maranovic
Porter / Kleber / Hartenstein or Giles
FinneySmith / Aminu / # 31 Woodard
Curry / # 18 Green / Lee
Duncic / Campazzo / Brunson or Trade?
Brunson would probably want to be traded - so I wonder if one of the late 1st round teams or early 2nd would bite on a trade for him?
Fun times to come. Go Mavs...
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart - Omega_Supreme - 08-08-2020
(08-07-2020, 09:16 PM)chaparral Wrote: Reading all the trade ideas yesterday and today got me thinking of combining a lot of the players mentioned. So lets start with the draft. In this scenario the Mavs keep both pick as to try and Home Grow there own.
With the 18th pick we take SG Josh Green and the 31st pick we take SF Robert Woodard III. Green could turn into the 3 & D SG of the future and Woodard might be that twiner 3/4 the Mavs like?
Next on to trades;
1. Porter's name came up again w/ Hardaway as part of the out going player. I would include Jackson as part of this deal to make the salary matching better for the Mavs. The Bulls do this deal to save $ 4.4 mil for the 2021 season.
2. Aminu was mentioned in a trade w/ Wright. I do this straight up and the ORL does it as well to save money in 2021 and 2022.
3. Euro and Luka friend Campazzo is the current days talk. So w/ most of the MLE give it to Campazzo and Brunson and him can battle for the 2nd PG spot.
4. With the rest of the MLE give it to Isaiah Hartenstein or Harry Giles?
5. Resign Lee for the vet min.
So the line-up is :
Porzingis / Powell / Maranovic
Porter / Kleber / Hartenstein or Giles
FinneySmith / Aminu / # 31 Woodard
Curry / # 18 Green / Lee
Duncic / Campazzo / Brunson or Trade?
Brunson would probably want to be traded - so I wonder if one of the late 1st round teams or early 2nd would bite on a trade for him?
Fun times to come. Go Mavs...
I do not move Brunson, I have maintained that he is going to turn into a Kyle Lowery type of player in a few years. I firmly believe he can grow into that. I think he needs to be starting. At some point we have to commit to our draft by keeping our developed talent.
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart - SleepingHero - 08-08-2020
(08-07-2020, 04:00 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: Who wants to pay a borderline back-up PG $9M a year?I think you gave quite the answer to that question in your own post. Chicago has gotten hit as did every other team from this pandemic financially, and are looking at ways of saving as much money as possible. This week a report from the Chicago Sun Times detailed how the Bulls can't afford to fire Boylen (and most of the coaching staff). Reinsdorf never cared for the Bulls even when they had the GOAT, so there is zero chance he isn't intrigued by a trade that can free up 5 million instantly in these times. Another variation of that trade is THJ+Wright+18+2nd rounder for Lauri+OPJ. Definitely more unrealistic, but still saves Chicago plenty of money. Also gets disgruntled Lauri outta CHI, and was a player Boylen never cared for anyways. (*Note: I've just come off watching 20 minutes of Lauri highlights so my judgement is most certainly clouded).
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/bulls-jim-boylen-fire/1o35lj1h2d3kx1oy3ae5z29isw
Point is, there are teams hurting right now for a guard, and Wright is still young enough and is on a cost controlled contract for the foreseeable future. Who's to say the Hornets don't try and take a flyer? Orlando needs a backup guard that hasn't been DJ Augustine for years as well. Getting Campazzo lets the Mavs just dump the Wright experiment without much thought.
(08-07-2020, 05:52 PM)DanSchwartzman Wrote:(08-07-2020, 02:47 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: I think the real question is can Campazzo be better than Wright as a 3rd guard off the bench? We desperately need another creator for when Luka isn't in the game. And while we sorta have that with Brunson, it couldn't hurt to have another more experienced guard with past ties with Luka and a history of playing in big games.
I'd give him 6m a year for 3 years with a team option the last year.
I won't pretend to have any insight into the player, but logic would dictate he's looking for money in the range you propose. The only way we get there is a big part of the MLE or trough cap space we don't have (unless THJ opts out and leaves...highly unlikely in my book).
So if we stick to the MLE theory, that uses up a major way to improve the team this off-season. If this is the plan then my questions are:
1. Is this role something we absolutely need? I'd say the roll is on-ball/off-ball PG. In other words, a PG who can play with Luka and can also run the show without Luka. I like Brunson, but he hasn't shown that ability and clearly Wright hasn't either. I have said the teams pursuit of Kemba indicates they thought this type of player was needed. If Campazzo can fill that role, it helps in many ways including late game execution.
2. Does using the MLE in this way free up trade assets for something else. I realize everyone wants to dump Wright, and that could certainly happen. Seems to me the asset that would be freed up in such a scenario is Brunson. Is there a team looking for a great backup PG who has a shot of growing into a lower/middle end starter.
We tend to start our proposals based on who we want to get rid of or who we covet. It is probably more realistic to try to find the team that might have some interest in what we have. Feels like a short list to me. What it comes down to is Campazzo plus trade asset better than just using the MLE for some other position and retaining Brunson?
Dan coming in with a sound post as always.
I proposed the 6m figure because I guesstimated that was what Campazzo was looking for given his buyout and a player of his level would command coming into the NBA. It could be less, I doubt it's more.
To answer your questions.
1. Yes I do absolutely think getting someone that can play off/on ball with Luka is something of great need. I actually think its the paramount need of the offseason, moreso because of how dead in the water the Mavs are as soon as Luka/KP sits. A varied attack is a necessity to be able to call yourself an upper echelon team. The Mavs are knocking on the door just because of how talented Luka and KP are. In my opinion the one thing stopping them from reaching this tier is having that guy that can run the offense when Luka sits, and provides a calming presence from experience. Campazzo theoretically fills both of those needs.
2. I think if we're going this route to improve the roster, it makes certain guys expendable. Wright is the obvious choice like you mentioned, and I'm sure there are teams that would like his services. I wouldn't be opposed to making Brunson available either if that what was needed to get another versatile wing. Mavs2019 had a great idea of Wright+THJ for Felicio+OPJ. This gives the Mavs their 3+D (and a little more) specialist and a backup big while Powell rehabs. Which solves quite a few issues. I consider an offseason haul of Campazzo, OPJ, Felicio, + drafted guys a success. And a realistic trade as well given how OPJ has underperformed and how CHI is looking to save money.
Using the MLE to sign someone outright this offseason and treading water with the current roster (THJ takes the option, not trading Wright), is a lateral move at best, a regression at worst. I don't think there is 1 player that fits in the MLE that is enough to solve the issue(s) at hand. But I would be quite happy to be proved wrong.
(08-07-2020, 02:59 PM)omahen Wrote: Huh, very generous in my opinion. I think best comparison for Campazzo is TJ McConnel. Would you pay him 6 mil per and bring him as your first guard of the bench? I like both players but there are limits to what they can do.
Campazzo has dazzled Euroleague and is considered one of the most talented players in Europe. He certainly has shown more than TJ McConnell has shown in the NBA.
BUT with that said, even if Campazzo is nothing more than a McConnell clone, I still wouldn't mind paying him 6mil per. Mostly because I'm a big McConnell fan. TJ is a fantastic offensive guard off the bench. He plays a bit like Nash-lite with how he uses dribbling to create passing lanes and is a pass first guard. 6ppg 5apg in 18mpg is solid production off the bench and is basically what JJ Barea has done his entire career for us.
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart - Mavs2019 - 08-08-2020
(08-08-2020, 12:13 AM)SleepingHero Wrote:I sure hope you are right about the Bulls. I have been on record saying, they´ll do something stupid soon.(08-07-2020, 04:00 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: Who wants to pay a borderline back-up PG $9M a year?I think you gave quite the answer to that question in your own post. Chicago has gotten hit as did every other team from this pandemic financially, and are looking at ways of saving as much money as possible. This week a report from the Chicago Sun Times detailed how the Bulls can't afford to fire Boylen (and most of the coaching staff). Reinsdorf never cared for the Bulls even when they had the GOAT, so there is zero chance he isn't intrigued by a trade that can free up 5 million instantly in these times. Another variation of that trade is THJ+Wright+18+2nd rounder for Lauri+OPJ. Definitely more unrealistic, but still saves Chicago plenty of money. Also gets disgruntled Lauri outta CHI, and was a player Boylen never cared for anyways. (*Note: I've just come off watching 20 minutes of Lauri highlights so my judgement is most certainly clouded).
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/bulls-jim-boylen-fire/1o35lj1h2d3kx1oy3ae5z29isw
Point is, there are teams hurting right now for a guard, and Wright is still young enough and is on a cost controlled contract for the foreseeable future. Who's to say the Hornets don't try and take a flyer? Orlando needs a backup guard that hasn't been DJ Augustine for years as well. Getting Campazzo lets the Mavs just dump the Wright experiment without much thought.
The RealGM trade machine actually approved
THJ+Boban for OPJ
Jackson for Felicio
All players on expiring contracts. When we subtract the possible $3.5M in cash considerations we are talking about the Bulls receiving $23.8M, while the outgoing amount is $36M. The Bulls would actually save $12.2M next year. Salary cap-wise they´d move pretty close to the floor, they have to pay anyway.
If the Bulls are really all about saving money, that´s not a bad deal.Not outrageously one-sided in the player value either.
The rest of the roster:
Probably keep Delon Wright for now. Don´t see a great trade scenario at the moment. I´m not overpaying for an "unknown" salary dump here. I want to know, the incoming 2021 FA is a stud.
I´m taking Kira Lewis at #18. Maybe not the most vertical player, but he´s very fast, and a very crafty base to his game. Also has a decent looking 3pt shot and floater, which always work in the NBA. I´ll take Pokusevski at #31. His game has been analyzed enough.
Lewis is generally projected 15-21. Pokusevski is going between mid first, early 2nd and not rated all. Generally the draft rankings are all over the place. They would have been volatile anyway, but with COVID you really have no idea, where players will go.
Re-sign MKG to the minimum.
Sign Dunn.
Doncic/Brunson/Lewis
Dunn/Curry/Wright
OPJ/DFS/MKG
Powell/Kleber/Pokusevski
Porzingis/WCS/Felicio
Suddenly you are talking Doncic and three plus defenders or even four with the option of DFS or Kleber at PF (depending on the size of the opposing PF). If we still suck at defense with that line-up it´s a coaching problem.
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart - Mike lorenzo - 08-08-2020
K. Dunn I think Rick won't play it, boy can't shoot at all
White (Spurs) seems an achievable goal (Brunson + pick)
maybe A. Bradley
FA would look for a cheap big man
Boucher / Gilles / Hartenstein
1 Wing for 1 year Ariza if they let him walk ...
If you don't try the Delon trade
Wright / Jackson-Tony Snell
Wright / Jackson Future 2nd-T. Young
Another commercial that I would explore is Powell + # 31-Felicio Taking Powell's salary off the books could be a win I know that Felicio sucks
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart - DanSchwartzgan - 08-08-2020
(08-07-2020, 06:31 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: Thoughtful post as always, Dan. At this point, I am willing to see moves that get rid of anyone short of Luka and KP if it makes the team better. I don't think there's enough talent on this roster around those two to worry to any extent about continuity. Let's get three playoff-level-competent starters around Luka and Kristaps and then start worrying about continuity. I like Seth and especially Maxi a lot,
I've contended that Maxi, DFS, Curry and Brunson is a fantastic bench. Would I like a little more size or D out of one of those guards...yes. But if the new starters were good enough we'd be fine.
So far, most of our posts have been about adding talent by various means in 2020. But, while this isn't the intent of your "getting rid of" comment, it would be very Mav's like to trade an asset with Wright for an older "name" player on an expiring deal. The team would sell us on the older player, but the point of the deal would really be to create more 2021 cap space.
For example, Wright plus #31 for Derrick Rose. Fans know the name. He's instant O off the bench and plays literally no D. What a perfect fit
. The fit really wasn't the point of the deal. Adding space to 2021 was the point. The key is trying to do it without appearing to give up on a 2020. They could then use the MLE with only one year guaranteed on someone else (Full MLE would be an over-pay for RHJ, but the team would sell us on his D) and we are good to go. I'm not advocating this, just saying I could see it be their plan. Here's the question. Are we good with giving up #31 to get rid of Wright? What if it took #18 instead? It is hard to argue that Wright is terrible and has to be moved without either taking on a worse contract o sending out something of value.
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart - JamesConway - 08-08-2020
(08-08-2020, 08:12 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote:Re Delon & also Powell: I'd argue that we're better off keeping and developing/rehabbing them for another season instead of moving them this upcoming offseason. They combine for roughly $20M next year and both (fingers crossed for Powell) will hopefully be able to help some on the court next year.(08-07-2020, 06:31 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: Thoughtful post as always, Dan. At this point, I am willing to see moves that get rid of anyone short of Luka and KP if it makes the team better. I don't think there's enough talent on this roster around those two to worry to any extent about continuity. Let's get three playoff-level-competent starters around Luka and Kristaps and then start worrying about continuity. I like Seth and especially Maxi a lot,
I've contended that Maxi, DFS, Curry and Brunson is a fantastic bench. Would I like a little more size or D out of one of those guards...yes. But if the new starters were good enough we'd be fine.
So far, most of our posts have been about adding talent by various means in 2020. But, while this isn't the intent of your "getting rid of" comment, it would be very Mav's like to trade an asset with Wright for an older "name" player on an expiring deal. The team would sell us on the older player, but the point of the deal would really be to create more 2021 cap space.
For example, Wright plus #31 for Derrick Rose. Fans know the name. He's instant O off the bench and plays literally no D. What a perfect fit
Here's the question. Are we good with giving up #31 to get rid of Wright? What if it took #18 instead? It is hard to argue that Wright is terrible and has to be moved without either taking on a worse contract o sending out something of value.
So I'd just take that hit and eat the salary. Come June 2021 both will be one year further in their contracts and it should be less expensive (in terms of assets) to dump them.
Also: once you move #18 and/or #31 you immediatedly give up the upside of that asset potentially working out. If you nail one of those two picks we're in a much better position teambuilding wise. I would not want to give up on that best case-scenario.
beyond that: we won't know until 2021 FA if we will be able to land a player in 2021 FA. We should figure that out when the time has come. We've done these moves in the past where we ended up with nothing (2013 draft). The Knicks have pushed this to the extreme with the KP-trade. OTOH we've seen plenty examples where teams were able to open up caproom when needed to (e.g. Durant-GS/Barnes-DAL). Or teams never had any caproom to begin with and still landed their guy (Riley-Jimmy Butler last year).
I'm strongly against those deals where we decide early to dump assets for FA-hopes.
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart - Mavs2019 - 08-08-2020
(08-08-2020, 08:12 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote:The pretty even nature of this draft and the COVID situation increases the chances to hit later in this draft. If it´s Wright + future 2nd round pick for expiring contract, I´d do it now. Otherwise I´ll just wait. For 18+31, I´d want something like Gordon in return.(08-07-2020, 06:31 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: Thoughtful post as always, Dan. At this point, I am willing to see moves that get rid of anyone short of Luka and KP if it makes the team better. I don't think there's enough talent on this roster around those two to worry to any extent about continuity. Let's get three playoff-level-competent starters around Luka and Kristaps and then start worrying about continuity. I like Seth and especially Maxi a lot,
Here's the question. Are we good with giving up #31 to get rid of Wright? What if it took #18 instead? It is hard to argue that Wright is terrible and has to be moved without either taking on a worse contract o sending out something of value.
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart - Mavs2019 - 08-08-2020
Ugh just realized our 1st round pick next year is the unprotected one. With healthy Warriors/Blazers teams, plus all the others currently in the bubble, there is at least a chance we could miss the play-offs next season. I wonder whether the Mavs will feel pressure to upgrade this summer over playing the long game. Knowing this, a trade package around 18+31 just became more likely imho.
I was hoping 2021 was the top 10 protected pick, so we could maybe start a late semi-tank, if necessary, to get another top ten lottery pick. Would have been a nice opportunity. Develop the young guys, either make the play-offs or semi-tank into another top 10.
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart - omahen - 08-08-2020
(08-08-2020, 01:26 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: I was hoping 2021 was the top 10 protected pick, so we could maybe start a late semi-tank
A bit overreacting because of a couple of bad performances. I believe we add one or two solid pieces to this team and we are good. As I said before: work out a trade for Richardson giving up Wright/Jackson/picks and sign a good PF for MLE is an excellent offseason for me. Still good offseason would be trading Wright for Young or Snell and sign Jones Jr or Dunn for MLE.
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart - StepBackJay - 08-08-2020
(08-08-2020, 01:26 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: Ugh just realized our 1st round pick next year is the unprotected one. With healthy Warriors/Blazers teams, plus all the others currently in the bubble, there is at least a chance we could miss the play-offs next season. I wonder whether the Mavs will feel pressure to upgrade this summer over playing the long game. Knowing this, a trade package around 18+31 just became more likely imho.
I was hoping 2021 was the top 10 protected pick, so we could maybe start a late semi-tank, if necessary, to get another top ten lottery pick. Would have been a nice opportunity. Develop the young guys, either make the play-offs or semi-tank into another top 10.
Man we can't ever get rid of tankers holy cow. We are going to tank with a team that has Luka and KP on it? SMH. I do agree that the Mavs will be trading those picks this summer. The smart move imo is to move THJ + those picks to get a player.
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart - dirkfansince1998 - 08-08-2020
In the purely hypothetical case that the 76ers are better without Simmons and consider a trade after a succesful playoff run this summer. Are the Mavs interested? What would it take to get him?
Best Mavs offer would probably include all available picks and shooters to improve the spacing around Embiid.
Something like...
THJ + Curry + #18 + #31 + 2025 1st for Simmons
Most likely not enough but maybe the Mavs could clear enough salary (get rid of Wright and or Jackson) to swallow a negative contract like Horfords to add value.
THJ + Curry + Kleber + #18 + #31 +2025 1st for Simmons + Horford
With Wright going to a 3rd team or the 76ers if they are interested.
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart - Mavs2019 - 08-08-2020
(08-08-2020, 02:18 PM)StepBackJay Wrote:Do you think we are better than a healthy Warriors or Blazers team? It´s amazing how triggered some people get by the word tank. If we are stuck between missing the play-offs in 13th or 10th place with a top 10 protected pick the answer what to do is pretty obvious.(08-08-2020, 01:26 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: Ugh just realized our 1st round pick next year is the unprotected one. With healthy Warriors/Blazers teams, plus all the others currently in the bubble, there is at least a chance we could miss the play-offs next season. I wonder whether the Mavs will feel pressure to upgrade this summer over playing the long game. Knowing this, a trade package around 18+31 just became more likely imho.
I was hoping 2021 was the top 10 protected pick, so we could maybe start a late semi-tank, if necessary, to get another top ten lottery pick. Would have been a nice opportunity. Develop the young guys, either make the play-offs or semi-tank into another top 10.
Man we can't ever get rid of tankers holy cow. We are going to tank with a team that has Luka and KP on it? SMH. I do agree that the Mavs will be trading those picks this summer. The smart move imo is to move THJ + those picks to get a player.
At least for people like myself, cause the only logical explanation to argue against that is that you´d rather turnover the 2021 pick, because you expect an even higher pick in 2022. Maybe you are a Mavs hater already making a downward trajectory projection.
But what I know I also wanted to maximize the odds in 2017 and 2018, which the Mavs failed to do both years. If not for the dumb****ery of the Kings and Hawks, the Mavs winning culture strategy walks away with DSJ and WCJ and we´d be dead last in the West right now.
RE: Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart - omahen - 08-08-2020
(08-08-2020, 03:14 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: Do you think we are better than a healthy Warriors or Blazers team?
Warriors maybe, Blazers yes. There is only one way allowed for this team. To get better every year. Thinking about tanking is nuts. Mavs greatly outperformed expectations this season. Of course they are not title contenders yet. As much as we know what needs to be improved, Mavs know it much better and they will work on improving it. Either internal improvement or bring reinforcements.