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RE: Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart - ItsGoTime - 04-26-2020

(04-26-2020, 08:09 PM)chaparral Wrote: I was thinking that Derrick Jones might be an option, but "Its Go Time" feels he is better coming off the bench.
This is what I said:

"Guys like RoCo, OPJ, Shawn Marion being at the top of the heap prototypes. Jones Jr, might be a guy like that, I see him as a more defense then offense guy and worthy of playing time, but he might be best suited coming off the bench, which is what we have already in anyone after the top 3. I guess if you plug him and DFS in the starting 5 that gives you your defensive versatility that is greatly needed too."

I said MIGHT be better suited coming off the bench. That doesn't mean I definitely think he's better coming off the bench. I think DJJ would be a decent pickup, not splashy, but a bare minimum as far as what we should get in the offseason.

RE: Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart - DanSchwartzgan - 04-27-2020

(04-26-2020, 08:09 PM)chaparral Wrote: Dan, Omahen,


Could you please list some names of played that will be available for the MLE better then Crowder?  I was thinking that Derrick Jones might be an option, but "Its Go Time" feels he is better coming off the bench.  The MLE if spent in full should be used for a starter.  A 3/4 or 4/5 type of player, IMHO.

Instead of reinventing the wheel, we can just name the names listed in the article who are either noted as signing for the MLE or some amount within a million either side of it.  Others can fill in the subjective "better than Crowder" part of the equation:

L. Galloway
Bazemore
Favors
Baynes
G. Robinson
Jones Jr.
C. Wood
W. Matthews
J. Holiday
T. Craig
M. Plumlee
Hernangomez
Forbes
Dragic
M. Leonard
Poeltl
Crowder
T. Thompson
Josh Jackson
A. Rivers
KCP
Clarkson
Augustin
Ibaka

They put Dunn, Saric, Beasley, Whiteside, and M. Morris just above the MLE


(04-26-2020, 05:58 PM)omahen Wrote: I said I wouldn't include a pick. And I wouldn't put Kennard in the starting five. You still have MLE to sign Crowder if you like. This team would be full of shooters and incredibly deep. I agree with some others there are better targets than Crowder for the MLE.

Luka, Wright, #31 or vet min
THJ, Seth, 
DFS, Kennard, #18
Crowder, Maxi
KP, Powell, #31 or vet min


The way I look at Kennard is as a third guard.  Not quite a PG, but more handles than “just” a SG.  He can stand in the corner and hit 3’s, or run some PnR to give Luka a couple of plays off.  He has more size than Curry and more O than Wright.  BTW, I’d call Wright and Curry good third guard types also.  I’m not enthralled with any of them as a starter, but all can be starters if...(if we had enough shooters when Wright is in and enough D when Kennard or Curry is in).  From what we’ve seen of Luka and Brunson playing together, Kennard is more versatile.  

Adding Kennard means THJ is probably your SF  82games says he got 61% of his time there last season.  That still leaves a hole at the Power Wing position.  Crowder is a decent fit there.  But the article designates him as a bench player.  That means you basically have a pool of players who could start there between DFS, Crowder, Maxi and Powell and a pool of players who could start at SG from among Kennard, Curry and Wright.  I think I’d rather have one obvious guy at each spot, but it isn’t easy to come up with a name.

RE: Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart - JamesConway - 04-27-2020

Saric has always been a player I'd love to see play for the Mavs. With his BBIQ, shooting and size he'd be a very helpful bench player who could be plugged into almost any lineups. I like the idea of him & DFS at the 3 & 4, he could play alongside KP or Klever as a PF/C tandem, he can play with rim runners like Powell/WCS. He'd be a great 5th to 7th guy for almost any roster.

I'd certainly offer the full MLE, if it's enough great. If he demands more then I guess we'd have to move on.

RE: Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart - DanSchwartzgan - 04-27-2020

(04-27-2020, 07:48 AM)JamesConway Wrote: Saric has always been a player I'd love to see play for the Mavs. With his BBIQ, shooting and size he'd be a very helpful bench player who could be plugged into almost any lineups. I like the idea of him & DFS at the 3 & 4, he could play alongside KP or Klever as a PF/C tandem, he can play with rim runners like Powell/WCS. He'd be a great 5th to 7th guy for almost any roster.

I'd certainly offer the full MLE, if it's enough great. If he demands more then I guess we'd have to move on.

If you look at the statistical study in the thread "What We Have", the point I'm mainly making is we have a 1, 2, 2, 5, 5, 5, 6, 7, 7 among our top 9 rotation players.  It makes for a really good bench compared to teams forced to play 9th and 10th man types in their rotation.  It puts us at a disadvantage compared to starting units.  We are playing 5th man types against other teams 3rd and 4th man types.

The issue I have with Saric and Crowder is they simply add to the stable of 5th/6th man types and don't get us any closer to another obvious starter.  I understand fit and role are important and that this is an imperfect way to look at roster building.  But your weakest link is important in games like basketball and soccer.  I'm all for adding guys like this and Kennard, but neither gets us where I'd like to see us go.

With all that said, the Mav's have a history of getting increased production out of players others had given up on.  Three teams gave up on Marion before he got here.  Brandan Wright was the original Powell.  How freakin valuable was McDermott in his short time here.  I'm not sure we are well equipped as casual fans to understand how scheme and spacing might rejuvenate someone's career (a fancy way of saying I reserve the right to be wrong on some of these names that I'm luke warm on).  BTW, I've talked about combining 18 and 31 to move up to the 13/14 range before.  If it gets us a higher level guy that can eventually be that 3rd/4th starter, I'm all for it.  J-Mac is the guy who has caught my eye.  Tankathon and NBADraft don't agree on much, but both have him just outside the reach of the Mav's slot at 18.  If you can draft someone who you think has great upside 2-3 years from now, then I'm better off with these MLE short timers to fill the gap in the mean time.

RE: Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart - JamesConway - 04-27-2020

(04-27-2020, 08:14 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote:
(04-27-2020, 07:48 AM)JamesConway Wrote: Saric has always been a player I'd love to see play for the Mavs. With his BBIQ, shooting and size he'd be a very helpful bench player who could be plugged into almost any lineups. I like the idea of him & DFS at the 3 & 4, he could play alongside KP or Klever as a PF/C tandem, he can play with rim runners like Powell/WCS. He'd be a great 5th to 7th guy for almost any roster.

I'd certainly offer the full MLE, if it's enough great. If he demands more then I guess we'd have to move on.

If you look at the statistical study in the thread "What We Have", the point I'm mainly making is we have a 1, 2, 2, 5, 5, 5, 6, 7, 7 among our top 9 rotation players.  It makes for a really good bench compared to teams forced to play 9th and 10th man types in their rotation.  It puts us at a disadvantage compared to starting units.  We are playing 5th man types against other teams 3rd and 4th man types.

The issue I have with Saric and Crowder is they simply add to the stable of 5th/6th man types and don't get us any closer to another obvious starter.  I understand fit and role are important and that this is an imperfect way to look at roster building.  But your weakest link is important in games like basketball and soccer.  I'm all for adding guys like this and Kennard, but neither gets us where I'd like to see us go.

With all that said, the Mav's have a history of getting increased production out of players others had given up on.  Three teams gave up on Marion before he got here.  Brandan Wright was the original Powell.  How freakin valuable was McDermott in his short time here.  I'm not sure we are well equipped as casual fans to understand how scheme and spacing might rejuvenate someone's career (a fancy way of saying I reserve the right to be wrong on some of these names that I'm luke warm on).  BTW, I've talked about combining 18 and 31 to move up to the 13/14 range before.  If it gets us a higher level guy that can eventually be that 3rd/4th starter, I'm all for it.  J-Mac is the guy who has caught my eye.  Tankathon and NBADraft don't agree on much, but both have him just outside the reach of the Mav's slot at 18.  If you can draft someone who you think has great upside 2-3 years from now, then I'm better off with these MLE short timers to fill the gap in the mean time.
- I'm with you in regards to the need of getting guys who are better than nr 5. Unfortunately I don't see us getting higher talented guys than Kennard with the limited assets we currently have. The mix of him individually as an oncourt-upgrade + his RFA/full bird rights in '21-status helps teambuilding-wise and that's what I like the most. Also I'm relatively high on him, probably more than others. I could see him become a JJ Reddick-caliber player here given where he's already at at his current age. And then on top of that he also brings some playmaking skills to the table.

- I'd love to make the #18 selection too though. I'm probably 80/20 in favor of just keeping #18 in general. Kennard would be one of the few guys who I view as realistic targets and players who I like enough to make a deal.

- Moving up is something we always should be looking at and I'm very much in favor of a move like that if they have a guy they like who will got a few spots too early. I'm just not sure about McDaniels as a prospect, but the tools are certainly extremely exciting. Looks a lot like Ingram the way he moves.
Ah and regards guys like Crowder/Saric: none of those guys will put us over the top but I'd attempt to maximize the MLE. Imo Saric would be quite the haul here if he's even attainable for that little.

If he's not part of the long-term future then the least we could do is use the MLE to create another asset. As of now I think all of Seth, Maxi and Delon are on decent to good-deals. That would be the goal for me here as well.

RE: Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart - omahen - 04-27-2020

(04-27-2020, 09:05 AM)JamesConway Wrote: use the MLE to create another asset. As of now I think all of Seth, Maxi and Delon are on decent to good-deals.


This! I think it will be really difficult to get one or two starter types with the contracts and assets we have. There are not many terrbile deals left in the NBA and even so we don't really have the contracts to trade for them without giving up valuable role players and assets. Do we really gain that much by selling "half" of bench and rare picks we have for a starter? Unless we strike lucky with someone looking to get rid of some contract.

If there is no trade for starters, I would go with a younger player for MLE - hopefully he will floorish in the right role and increase his value.

However, my dream scenario would be:
1. THJ, Wright, JJ for Horford and Richardson (plus #22 pick perhaps?). 
2. trade #18 for Kennard
3. sign enforcer/defensive specialist for MLE. Jones Jr. for example

Luka, Brunson, #31
Kennard, Curry, Reaves
Richardson, DFS, MLE
Horford, Maxi, vet min
KP, Powell, Bobi

This team would be incredibly deep, able to play tough defense or stellar offense, you name it. I would also love to give a shot at Harris, but I doubt Denver would be interested in any Wright/JJ combinations plus pick(s) and I am not really willing to trade core pieces for him.  Without the trade, I would do (I don't believe Kennard would be that cheap):

1. draft 3-D wing for #18
2. trade #31 for #34 and #36 and draft back up PG and back up C
3. sign Hernangomez or Saric for MLE. Wood also, but I really don't believe Detroit wouldn't match anything up to 15 per
4. trade Wright for Snell
5. trade JJ for a second rounder or cash considerations

Luka, Brunson, #34
THJ, Curry, Reaves
DFS, Snell, #18
Hernangomez, Maxi
KP, Powell, #36, Bobi

RE: Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart - aguiar95 - 04-27-2020

The answer I keep coming to is Aaron Gordon. How about a help from DET?

DAL gives: D. Wright, J. Jackson, 2020 DAL 1st (18), 2020 GSW 2nd (31).
DAL gets: A. Gordon.

ORL gives: A. Gordon, 2020 ORL 2nd (45).
ORL gets: L. Kennard, D. Rose.

DET gives: L. Kennard, D. Rose.
DET gets: D. Wright, J. Jackson, 2020 DAL 1st (18), 2020 GSW 2nd (31), 2020 ORL 2nd (45).

* If it feels like DET is on the losing end, swap the DAL 1st (18) for the ORL 1st (15).
* If it feels like DAL is not giving up much, add 2 DAL FSRP to DET or ORL.

To me Mavs get a great fit wiht the team, ORL gets two offensive guys to their good defense and is in no need to re-sign Fournier if he declines his PO, while DET gets picks for the rebuild until Blake's contract end.

Doncic/THJ/DFS/Gordon/KP
Brunson/Curry/MLE/Kleber/Powell

- DFS could alternate with Kleber on the starting lineup, dependig on the matchup (DFS agains Rox/Kleber against LAL for example).
- MLE could be Holiday (IND) or DJJ (MIA).

RE: Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart - omahen - 04-27-2020

(04-27-2020, 11:41 AM)aguiar95 Wrote: The answer I keep coming to is Aaron Gordon. How about a help from DET?


Interesting proposal. My feeling is both Detroit and Orlando would value their guys higher. Although Kennard + Rose for Gordon seems like a fair deal. I doubt Orlando would be including any draft picks to it. I think Dallas would need to give more value. Either picks, Brunson or something similar.

RE: Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart - JamesConway - 04-27-2020

(04-27-2020, 10:49 AM)omahen Wrote:
(04-27-2020, 09:05 AM)JamesConway Wrote: use the MLE to create another asset. As of now I think all of Seth, Maxi and Delon are on decent to good-deals.


This! I think it will be really difficult to get one or two starter types with the contracts and assets we have. There are not many terrbile deals left in the NBA and even so we don't really have the contracts to trade for them without giving up valuable role players and assets. Do we really gain that much by selling "half" of bench and rare picks we have for a starter? Unless we strike lucky with someone looking to get rid of some contract.

If there is no trade for starters, I would go with a younger player for MLE - hopefully he will floorish in the right role and increase his value.

However, my dream scenario would be:
1. THJ, Wright, JJ for Horford and Richardson (plus #22 pick perhaps?). 
2. trade #18 for Kennard
3. sign enforcer/defensive specialist for MLE. Jones Jr. for example

Luka, Brunson, #31
Kennard, Curry, Reaves
Richardson, DFS, MLE
Horford, Maxi, vet min
KP, Powell, Bobi

This team would be incredibly deep, able to play tough defense or stellar offense, you name it. I would also love to give a shot at Harris, but I doubt Denver would be interested in any Wright/JJ combinations plus pick(s) and I am not really willing to trade core pieces for him.  Without the trade, I would do (I don't believe Kennard would be that cheap):

1. draft 3-D wing for #18
2. trade #31 for #34 and #36 and draft back up PG and back up C
3. sign Hernangomez or Saric for MLE. Wood also, but I really don't believe Detroit wouldn't match anything up to 15 per
4. trade Wright for Snell
5. trade JJ for a second rounder or cash considerations

Luka, Brunson, #34
THJ, Curry, Reaves
DFS, Snell, #18
Hernangomez, Maxi
KP, Powell, #36, Bobi

Generally speaking I'm on board with a move for an overpaid guy later on, it just wouldn't be Horford to me due to his imperfect fit with KP. But I'm hopeful that a move like that will be in the cards for us 1-3 years down the road after we've used up all our other assets (2020 draft pick, 2020 MLE, 2021 caproom).

I'd go crazy by then. At that point we're hopefully locked into Luka + KP + at least a 2021-FA stud and it's all about how deep Cuban's pockets are.

We're talking maniac stuff like the Joe Johnson-brooklyn trade or acquiring CP3


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RE: Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart - omahen - 04-27-2020

(04-27-2020, 01:04 PM)JamesConway Wrote: Horford to me due to his imperfect fit with KP


I understand your overall logic, so I just focus on this. Why do you think there is an imperfect fit between Horford and KP? I think it is perfect. I think Horford is a much better version of Maxi. He is great defensive player, can switch on perimeter (KP remains C), can hit a three or post up. Plus he gives us much needed veteran presence and winning mentality/experience.

RE: Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart - chaparral - 04-27-2020

(04-26-2020, 08:34 PM)omahen Wrote:
(04-26-2020, 08:09 PM)chaparral Wrote: Omahen


First of, I am not sure if Crowder is a starter on a contender. He is a back up in Miami, for example. He is not really a great shooter. On the other hand he is tough and Dallas certainly lacks an enforcer or two.

Difficult to say which guys would really be available for MLE. Probably more, if you are willing to hand out a multiyear offer. Ibaka, Favors, Harris, KCP might be available, although I see it more as a long shot. 

Guys that I see as realistic and would be interesting would be Justin Holiday, Saric, J. Hernangomez and Jones Jr. With the exception of Holiday they are young and have upside. I really like Hernangomez.

Thanks Omahen for the reply, do you see a scenario where we get both J. Hernangomez and Jones.  If we did some kind of S&T w/Min for JH would we still have the MLE left for DJJ?  I could see both Hernangomez brothers wanting to come play in big D w/Luka and KP.

RE: Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart - omahen - 04-27-2020

(04-27-2020, 01:35 PM)chaparral Wrote: do you see a scenario where we get both J. Hernangomez and Jones


It is possible, especially with Miami, if they don't see Jones in their long term calculations. But it would cost us something, at least #31 pick. Jackson+#31 to Miami fo Jones SnT. Miami can still just gift Jackson to someone (or we do a three way deal). We can still do full MLE for Hernangomez. I guess the older Hernangomez would be vet min, so we can always sign him. Wouldn't be a bad pickup for a back up centre.

RE: Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart - omahen - 04-27-2020

I'm really bored so another wild theory Smile Playing with Fish theory how agents run the show. So guess who are Bill Duffy (Doncic agent) clients: Turner, Oubre, Richardson, LaVine and Harkless (among others). All were part of some trade rumors or are free agent (Harkless). Now lets build a contender with a "simple three team trade".

Dal pays THJ, DFS, Wright, JJ, #18 and #31 for Oubre, Horford and Richardson. THJ goes to Philly, DFS goes to Phoenix, split Wright and JJ however you feel suitable. #18 and #31 goes to Phoenix. Sign Harkless for the MLE. 

Luka, Brunson, Barea or another vet min
Richardson, Curry, Reaves
Oubre, Harkless, Lee or another vet min
Horford, Maxi, vet min
KP, Powell, Bobi

RE: Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart - ItsGoTime - 04-27-2020

(04-27-2020, 04:16 PM)omahen Wrote: Dal pays THJ, DFS, Wright, JJ, #18 and #31 for Oubre, Horford and Richardson. THJ goes to Philly, DFS goes to Phoenix, split Wright and JJ however you feel suitable. #18 and #31 goes to Phoenix. Sign Harkless for the MLE. 
Dal goes over the apron with this trade as constructed (Wright and DFS to Pho, JJ to Phil), does not work. One way I made it work was with Powell going to Phil if you can talk them into that. If we could, then we just resign WCS somehow.

RE: Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart - JamesConway - 04-27-2020

(04-27-2020, 01:28 PM)omahen Wrote:
(04-27-2020, 01:04 PM)JamesConway Wrote: Horford to me due to his imperfect fit with KP


I understand your overall logic, so I just focus on this. Why do you think there is an imperfect fit between Horford and KP? I think it is perfect. I think Horford is a much better version of Maxi. He is great defensive player, can switch on perimeter (KP remains C), can hit a three or post up. Plus he gives us much needed veteran presence and winning mentality/experience.
Mainly bc of how he has performed together with Embiid in 2 men-lineups. According to bballref.com they are roughly -1.6 per 100 possessions. In his top 10 most played 2 guy-units only two are negative: Horford + Embiid and Horford + Milton.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/horfoal01/lineups/2020

I think Horford's best days are behind him when it comes to chasing wings on the perimeter. All three of KP/Horford/Embiid are big dudes who are at best defensively on the inside. Given how much money is at stake I'd look elsewhere.

When we're talking super expensive but still productive vets on their last days I'm more of a CP3 guy. Usage has come down to the low 20s, great TS% (almost 61% in OKC), good metrics defensively, still a darn good PnR handler.

If we're going crazy (and after having used all the other avenues) then that's my name right now.

RE: Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart - omahen - 04-27-2020

(04-27-2020, 05:24 PM)JamesConway Wrote: Mainly bc of how he has performed together with Embiid in 2 men-lineups


But KP is very different player than Embiid. Plus Horford in Dallas would have 4 shooters around him, in Philly he had 2.


(04-27-2020, 05:24 PM)JamesConway Wrote: I think Horford's best days are behind him when it comes to chasing wings on the perimeter.


Hm, might be. I think this is true for regular season, for play-offs he could still squeeze it.


(04-27-2020, 05:24 PM)JamesConway Wrote: When we're talking super expensive but still productive vets on their last days I'm more of a CP3 guy.


I am affraid this boat has sailed. When I am speaking about Horford, I am also bringing in Richardson as a prize and he is an excellent player. He basically replaces THJ. CP3 contract is bigger than Horford and Richardson combined. I was a fan of CP3 trade before TDL, but now we don't have the contracts to do it, imho. I am not giving up THJ, Powell and more just for CP3. This doesn't make us better, I am affraid.
(04-27-2020, 05:20 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Dal goes over the apron with this trade as constructed (Wright and DFS to Pho, JJ to Phil), does not work.

Did you forget to count THJ? I believe the trade is legal - you have to count the #18 and #31 salaries. But yeah, looks like we are still a little short as Dallas needs to send out 42,5 mil to receive 52,675. So throw in Bobi and reunite him with his lost love in Philly Smile

RE: Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart - SkenfromLMF - 04-27-2020

(04-27-2020, 05:44 PM)omahen Wrote:
(04-27-2020, 05:24 PM)JamesConway Wrote: Mainly bc of how he has performed together with Embiid in 2 men-lineups


But KP is very different player than Embiid. Plus Horford in Dallas would have 4 shooters around him, in Philly he had 2.


(04-27-2020, 05:24 PM)JamesConway Wrote: I think Horford's best days are behind him when it comes to chasing wings on the perimeter.


Hm, might be. I think this is true for regular season, for play-offs he could still squeeze it.


(04-27-2020, 05:24 PM)JamesConway Wrote: When we're talking super expensive but still productive vets on their last days I'm more of a CP3 guy.


I am affraid this boat has sailed. When I am speaking about Horford, I am also bringing in Richardson as a prize and he is an excellent player. He basically replaces THJ. CP3 contract is bigger than Horford and Richardson combined. I was a fan of CP3 trade before TDL, but now we don't have the contracts to do it, imho. I am not giving up THJ, Powell and more just for CP3. This doesn't make us better, I am affraid.
(04-27-2020, 05:20 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: Dal goes over the apron with this trade as constructed (Wright and DFS to Pho, JJ to Phil), does not work.

Did you forget to count THJ? I believe the trade is legal - you have to count the #18 and #31 salaries. But yeah, looks like we are still a little short as Dallas needs to send out 42,5 mil to receive 52,675. So throw in Bobi and reunite him with his lost love in Philly Smile

Not sure you can sign and trade draft picks... I know you can trade the rights to a pick but once they are signed they have a non-trade window.

RE: Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart - omahen - 04-27-2020

(04-27-2020, 06:11 PM)SkenfromLMF Wrote: Not sure you can sign and trade draft picks... I know you can trade the rights to a pick but once they are signed they have a non-trade window.


Looks like you are right. I thought contracts are being traded but they are not - the rights are.

RE: Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart - DanSchwartzgan - 04-27-2020

(04-27-2020, 09:05 AM)JamesConway Wrote: - I'm with you in regards to the need of getting guys who are better than nr 5. Unfortunately I don't see us getting higher talented guys than Kennard with the limited assets we currently have.  

 
Ah and regards guys like Crowder/Saric: none of those guys will put us over the top but I'd attempt to maximize the MLE. Imo Saric would be quite the haul here if he's even attainable for that little.

If he's not part of the long-term future then the least we could do is use the MLE to create another asset. As of now I think all of Seth, Maxi and Delon are on decent to good-deals. That would be the goal for me here as well.

The Sir Charles article has generated some interesting conversation.  I agree that building a war chest of reasonably priced and reasonably aged assets is a good strategy.  You never know when someone might demand a trade.  

I'm in favor of the proposed deal for Kennard.  IMO he has more upside and is a better fit than Brunson.  In fact, I think he would probably start here.  I think Brunson is good value for him from Detroit's standpoint.  What I've said though is I'm not sure you've found that 3rd/4th starter in Kennard...certainly a 5th starter though.  That puts a little more pressure on the next acquisition.

I like Saric better than Crowder from the standpoint of being an asset.  He's younger and still has some upside.  Remember how we said "if only Hardaway could return to what he was the season before he got that NY contract".  Guess what...that happened and then some.  Well, if 26 year old Saric could just return to what he was as a 23 year old (second year) with a PER of 15.8 and WS/48 of .137 shooting .393 from distance with an on-minus-off of +3.3, then I'd feel pretty good.  It is hard to know.  Philly gave up on him and he's been with two bad franchises since.  

Both moves would eat into 2021 cap room.  I'm OK with that as I think the next star who comes here will come by trade instead of cap room.  So, youngish guys like Saric and Kennard are the kinds of guys who can be sold by the franchise that is losing their star player via trade demand or free agency.

RE: Mavs Trade Discussion + Salary Chart - omahen - 04-28-2020

Interesting The Athletic piece on Klye Anderson and how he doesn't really fit in Memphis. I am not really a fan but his playmaking could help our bench bunch. I would consider trading JJ for him. Even more so if Memphis would be willing to throw in a second rounder or two.

https://theathletic.com/1779291/2020/04/28/theres-a-place-for-kyle-anderson-in-the-nba-that-place-might-not-be-memphis/