(06-15-2024, 01:29 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: Another strawman. Do you have anything else to offer or should I just put you on ignore?

(06-15-2024, 02:24 AM)Luka77 Wrote: Im going to say this again, the easiest way for the Mavs to improve this offseason is for them to add a combo guard.  There are no two way guards that are available for what the Mavs have to offer.

The Mavs aren't that far from winning a championship.  Right now I believe many of these combo guards will be under valued.  A undervalued player is something the Mavs will have to find inorder to upgrade this roster.

If someone has better options please list them.

(06-15-2024, 12:38 AM)mvossman Wrote: They got to the finals because of their defense. The PJ comparisons have to stop. There was way more reason to believe PJ defense would improve and his level of improvement was an outlier.

(06-15-2024, 02:54 PM)Luka77 Wrote: The Mavs got to the finals with their defense and by struggling almost ever step of the way on offense.  Something that you forget to qualify in your excellent analysis.  Do you think that is repeated able next season?

(06-15-2024, 01:39 PM)MAVS-SLO Wrote: Hardaway + Green + Kleber (maybe SRP) for Lavine is the deal i would do it immidiatly.

(06-15-2024, 02:59 PM)mvossman Wrote: What is there to qualify?  They beat 3 of the top 4 seeds in the west and it never even went to 7 games. And that was with Luka clearly struggling with injuries.  Lively will only get better and the team is young in general. It’s totally repeatable.

(06-15-2024, 03:18 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: THJ, Hardy, 2025 FRP for Collin Sexton

DJJ signs the 1 + 1

Guards: Luka, Kai, Sexton

Wings: Pj, DJJ, Green, Maxi, Omax

Bigs: Lively, Gafford

This seems like a better team structure. Sexton makes sense as well. He plays hard. He could make a jump on defense like PJ. He’s 25 and fits our timeline

(06-15-2024, 03:38 PM)Luka77 Wrote: LIke I have been saying the Mavs defense isn't what has kept them from being ahead in the finals or winning other playoff games.  Its been their offense.  Go back and review the playoffs for your self.

Moreover, Yes every team in the league will stay stagnate while only the Mavs get better.  OKC will not grow one bit.  A 22 y.o Anthony Edwards with a much better roster than what Luka currently has, will not get any better.  Denver with a three time MVP and a better roster won't get any better either.  They will all stay the same while our Mavs will rule.

If the Mavs don't get better in the off season they will get left behind.  I believe in organic growth of Lively, Omax, and Hardy as much as the next.  But asking Lively to shoot 35% from three next season while Omax and Hardy become starter caliber players is asking too much.  This roster won't take that level of leaps next season.

(06-15-2024, 03:56 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Wait.  We are going to talk about someone who might actually be available.  I was hoping we might go another 5-6 pages of Simons stuff.  

IF you could guarantee the 1 + 1 for DJJ, I think this is worth discussing.  I think you've probably nailed the price (Hardy plus 2025).  It makes sense from an agent standpoint (Klutch represents both Hardy and Sexton).  Hardy needs PT (which he would get in Utah) to get the contract he's going to want a year from now.  Sexton is extension eligible this summer.  

An undersized O-Only guard isn't ideal, but he's a ton better than what we get from THJ.  I do think we need a bit more bench offense.  If we were a middle of the pack team, I might wait for Hardy.  But, we aren't a middle of the pack team.  We need every inch we can get (in a game of inches).

He makes too much money to be a sixth man.  We have to start thinking of what payroll looks like when Luka's 35% kicks in (and Lively gets paid).  Would he extend at the same price as he's making now or same price, but declining?  Who is going to pay him more (he doesn't start every game in Utah).  Also, a good sixth man will make $17mm-$18mm in the not too distant future.  I think I'd rather someone with a little more size who won't be hunted so easily.  But for what we are giving up (and what we get to keep), I could live with this.

(06-15-2024, 03:56 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Wait.  We are going to talk about someone who might actually be available.  I was hoping we might go another 5-6 pages of Simons stuff.  

IF you could guarantee the 1 + 1 for DJJ, I think this is worth discussing.  I think you've probably nailed the price (Hardy plus 2025).  It makes sense from an agent standpoint (Klutch represents both Hardy and Sexton).  Hardy needs PT (which he would get in Utah) to get the contract he's going to want a year from now.  Sexton is extension eligible this summer.  

An undersized O-Only guard isn't ideal, but he's a ton better than what we get from THJ.  I do think we need a bit more bench offense.  If we were a middle of the pack team, I might wait for Hardy.  But, we aren't a middle of the pack team.  We need every inch we can get (in a game of inches).

He makes too much money to be a sixth man.  We have to start thinking of what payroll looks like when Luka's 35% kicks in (and Lively gets paid).  Would he extend at the same price as he's making now or same price, but declining?  Who is going to pay him more (he doesn't start every game in Utah).  Also, a good sixth man will make $17mm-$18mm in the not too distant future.  I think I'd rather someone with a little more size who won't be hunted so easily.  But for what we are giving up (and what we get to keep), I could live with this.

(06-15-2024, 03:56 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Also, a good sixth man will make $17mm-$18mm in the not too distant future.  I think I'd rather someone with a little more size who won't be hunted so easily.  But for what we are giving up (and what we get to keep), I could live with this.

(06-15-2024, 05:55 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: My thinking is we treat it as a two year buy. We wait on an extension or possibly let him walk. I think it’s more of a short term luxury fit, but could morph into a long term fit
 

(06-15-2024, 03:18 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: THJ, Hardy, 2025 FRP for Collin Sexton

DJJ signs the 1 + 1

Guards: Luka, Kai, Sexton

Wings: Pj, DJJ, Green, Maxi, Omax

Bigs: Lively, Gafford

This seems like a better team structure. Sexton makes sense as well. He plays hard. He could make a jump on defense like PJ. He’s 25 and fits our timeline

(06-15-2024, 09:32 PM)RasheedsBigWhiteSpot Wrote: I love Lively. Period. Full stop.

However, the Mavs could use more offense. Let's say Memphis wanted to get ahead of Jaren Jackson Jr.'s contract extension in two years. Would you do...

Lively, Green, Hardy, Kleber, THJ 2025 unprotected
for
JJJ and Smart

Part of me says yes. Another part of me thinks Lively could have JJJ's offensive game in a year or two.