(06-12-2024, 10:14 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: I know it was an unpopular idea this tdl (and I was a vocal detractor of it too), but the  THJ+Green for Andrew Wiggins trade might've been the difference this series. Maybe the Mavs revisit this summer.

(06-12-2024, 10:53 PM)BigDirk41 Wrote: Yeah I guess I forgot about that. Wiggins is definitely way more useful than THJ and Green.

(06-12-2024, 11:14 PM)SwisherPrice Wrote: I want to say we are seeing THJ for the last time in a Mavs uniform but I'm not entirely sure. They will definitely try to shop him but if they don't get anything decent back then I could see them just keeping him around for 1 final season and let his contract expire.

In fact, I feel more confident that Green will be shipped out first as they can probably get some decent value back, either in the form of a player or better contract. But ideally, THJ and Green should be packaged together.

(06-12-2024, 11:33 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I have a feeling they’re both gone.

(06-13-2024, 12:24 AM)SwisherPrice Wrote: I'm tired of the Maxi Kleber Experience too but until the Mavs have a big man who can shoot threes and play okay defense, they won't be able to replace him. The problem is that it's not easy to find those types of players so they keep settling for Kleber. But he's not getting any younger and will continue to be injury-prone and inconsistent.

(06-13-2024, 12:32 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: It’s really just the injury prone thing for me. They are piling up, and he is not quite the defender he used to be. That might have something to do with the injuries, too, but that is just a part of pro sports. Everyone always complains about his shooting, but that’s just a matter of rhythm. I knew he wasn’t going to shoot well coming off of this latest injury. He was never a good enough shooter to just roll back off the DL and pick up where he left off. What really sucks is that he’s not making those game-changing defensive plays the way he used to.

(06-13-2024, 12:24 AM)SwisherPrice Wrote: I'm tired of the Maxi Kleber Experience too but until the Mavs have a big man who can shoot threes and play okay defense, they won't be able to replace him. The problem is that it's not easy to find those types of players so they keep settling for Kleber. But he's not getting any younger and will continue to be injury-prone and inconsistent.

(06-13-2024, 07:35 AM)loki Wrote: Batum w/ the BAE

(06-13-2024, 02:44 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Nevertheless a Wiggins type is not the answer. He´s averaging 2.3 APG for his career. He cannot create for other. He´s another PJ Washington. Is he better than current THJ/Green? Duh. But he ain´t what we need. He was not very efficient as a #1 option in Minnesota either (shooting or passing). Even if you believe Luka/Kyrie have a similar gravitational pull as Steph/Klay, then he´s again just a better version of DJJ/Kleber, who is reliant on others to create good looks. But we need a scorer/creator to spare Luka and especially Kyrie some minutes during the regular season and play-offs. People say Luka is not in shape, but I only believe this up to a certain point. Luka has played by far the most minutes in these play-offs. 19 games at 41.4 MPG. Kyrie is second at 19 games at 40.1 MPG.

Lavine for THJ/Green/Kleber works financially, but to me Simons from Portland is that dude.







I´d offer them two unprotected 1st plus Green/THJ/Powell and see what they say. Imho he completes our team. Rest can be rookies, vet mins and exception guys.

(06-13-2024, 08:07 AM)omahen Wrote: Batum is a great idea as a Maxi replacement. I think he is a much better player on both ends. A good stop gap solution while hopefully they develop O-max to take the role as soon as possible. 

However, wasn't there news about him reitiring after this season?

(06-13-2024, 09:43 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: I can't get around the idea targeting a 6'3 inefficient shooting guard who plays no defense as the team's missing piece. He can't be played with Kyrie, which means he's only playing with Luka. And at that point why are we getting a guy who can't play with your team's other star? Silly. 

We need a reliable scorer in the DJJ role. One who can hit a 3 and defend the other team's best dude. Would basically allow us to go platoon style like our centers where we have 2 very good defenders and scorers on the court at all times. 

Simons isn't that. Wiggins could be that but is risky. Heck we may need someone as good as just DFS back. Just a reliable outside shooter with length. 

Lavine is too far on the scorer side for it to make sense. Don't get me wrong, offensively I'm not sure there is a better guy out there on the open market that can be had. Last 5 years he's been a 43% 3pt shooter on catch and shoot 3s. 

Defensively he's probably a bigger turnstile than Simons. Mavs can't afford a poor defender in their scheme, especially on the wings. We saw that last season with Wood. That alone kind of dampens any love I have for the guy.

But......... I can convince myself adding THJ+Green as the core of the deal for Lavine is such a no brainer talent wise that if the Mavs can get that done they kind of have to. Although getting Lavine means DJJ is 100% gone. Which I'm not sure in the aggregate we're a better team.

(06-13-2024, 09:52 AM)omahen Wrote: Exactly. If the 6th man is a high salary guy, he has to be able to play productive minutes with Kyrie and Luka on the court. Which means he has to be an above average defender.

(06-13-2024, 12:54 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: We´ll just have to disagree, while I sit on my PJ Washington high horse and refer to these numbers

Opponents OFF RTG last three years

Washington 123.4 (110.7 in DAL) / 117.1 / 114.3
Simons 122.5 / 117.8 / 114.9

It´s almost like the same. Mind blown. Players tend to play worse defense on worse teams with the intention to lose.

WTF you always refer to him as a 6th man. There are 96 minutes at PG/SG alone and Luka is build like a SF/PF. Furthermore you people do realize that Kyrie will be 33 in January. Since you clearly think very little of Hardy, where does this offense comes from, when Kyrie needs more rest or even worse falls off a cliff.

Also good to know that Luka/Kyrie/Simons can´t work, when in both of Luka´s deep play-off runs, he was actually a large net positive on defense, but BARELY a net positive on offense. That clearly indicates that the offensive talent around him is the problem in the play-offs, unless we all got Luka completely wrong and he´s more Alex Caruso than Larry Bird.

(06-13-2024, 01:38 PM)mvossman Wrote: Are you seriously comparing Simons to PJ defensively?  PJ was an average defender on a crappy team and there was reason to hope it would improve.  It turned out better than could be reasonably expected.  Simon has been a terrible defender including when his team was at least competing.  I see less reason to hope for PJ level improvement and that would get him to average.  He is undersized and putting him with Luka and Kyrie on the starting lineup is not a recipe for defensive success.  Who is going to be the point of attack defender?

I don't disagree that this team needs more offense especially with Timmy falling off a cliff.  We could use an upgrade in the starting lineup without compromising the defense and we need a 6th man unless Hardy/Exum can play that role.  I don't think Simons makes sense in the starting lineup up, and he is too expensive to be a 6th man.