(04-30-2024, 11:49 AM)HoosierDaddyKidd Wrote: In what world does DeRozan not start over DJJ?

(04-30-2024, 11:09 AM)mvossman Wrote: DeRozan will cost a lot more than that.  He scored 24 a game on good efficiency and can create for himself and others.  As you mentioned he is on a really good contract.  He also played 38 minutes a game and only missed 3, so there is no sign of wearing down yet.  I think he costs at least a first and probably more.

(04-30-2024, 11:09 AM)mvossman Wrote: DeRozan will cost a lot more than that.  He scored 24 a game on good efficiency and can create for himself and others.  As you mentioned he is on a really good contract.  He also played 38 minutes a game and only missed 3, so there is no sign of wearing down yet.  I think he costs at least a first and probably more.

(04-30-2024, 12:55 PM)omahen Wrote: DeRozan is a free agent. The only realistic way for him to come to Dallas is if he would be ring hunting and accept a MLE level deal. Still, I would not be enthusiastic about the fit.

The guy I keep coming around would be Brogdon. I think he would be a perfect 6th man for this team. Decent all around guy. Could carry the second unit and play with Luka, Kyrie or both. Keep the team, bring Brogdon instead of THJ and I would be very optimistic about our chances. But, it seems he didn't want to leave Portland at TDL.

(04-30-2024, 12:55 PM)omahen Wrote: DeRozan is a free agent. The only realistic way for him to come to Dallas is if he would be ring hunting and accept a MLE level deal. Still, I would not be enthusiastic about the fit.

The guy I keep coming around would be Brogdon. I think he would be a perfect 6th man for this team. Decent all around guy. Could carry the second unit and play with Luka, Kyrie or both. Keep the team, bring Brogdon instead of THJ and I would be very optimistic about our chances. But, it seems he didn't want to leave Portland at TDL.

(04-30-2024, 12:53 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I just don’t understand how people are watching this offense and reaching the conclusion that DeMar DeRozan is a fix.

The reason Luka is not playing as well as he did two years ago is that the spacing is a shell of what it was back then. That is partly due to the fact that the current system doesn’t care about spacing, which sucks, but it is also just because there are literally no good shooters in the rotation outside of Kleber and Hardaway, who is hurt right now and would probably be in a slump still, even if healthy.

Don’t get me wrong – I am enjoying this new, athletic, defensive-minded roster. But, it is the year 2024 and your ball handlers need the option to shoot or drive. There just isn’t space to drive into right now for Luka, and DeRozan would make that worse, not better. I struggle to think of a worse fit for this team than DeMar DeRozan.

(04-30-2024, 01:33 PM)F Gump Wrote: No thanks. Brogdon is not a plus defender anymore. And he's very brittle, with very high odds he won't be able to play in the playoffs due to injury. As a member of POR media puts it, he "gets injured with alarming frequency." This year he didn't even make it to the ASG before breaking down. Pass.

(04-30-2024, 05:39 PM)omahen Wrote: I don't expect an all NBA defender, not looking for that. But Brogdon is still a smart and reliable player. His last season with the tanking Portland defense with him playing was better than without him. I don't think Portland wanted him to be the best possible version of himself and it is totally possible they were sitting him on purpose due to their tanking goals. He played 67 games for Boston just a season ago and won 6th man of the year. The team held their own in his minutes on the court. Both offense and defense stayed very similar in his minutes. If you are looking for a better all around player, you are looking for a star. Something you argued against a lot in some previous discussions.

He is a smart and reliable player capable of backing up stars. Not looking for him to be one. It is the 6th man role that I want him in. To be there to provide consistent minutes with bench unit so that Mavs don't need to run Luka and Kai to the ground through regular season. And to provide some stability in playoffs. You can't argue he is not a far better fit than Hardaway. I would not be after him because he is an all NBA defender or because he is a star on offense. I like him because he is decent on both ends on the floor and brings stability. Something Mavs lack a lot. Even though Luka is not his best self so far, Mavs can't afford to rest him, because there is no reliability on the bench.

I think playoffs so far showed Mavs have plenty of good defenders. They lack another scorer who can be also a solid defender. Brogdon is that.

Edit: I know you proposed Caruso in the past. I like him a lot. But, looking at Mavs in this series, I am not sure the result would be much different. His last season is his best season offensively by far where he almost doubled his ppg compared to a season ago. Not to mention his injury history is very similar to the one of Brogdon. This past season was his first where he played more than 70 games (71 total).

(05-01-2024, 02:52 PM)michaeltex Wrote: Rumors are that Vogel is circling the drain in PHX. Main claim-to-fame is the 2020 Bubble Championship. Wonder if he gets another shot as a HC or if it's time to do something else.

(04-30-2024, 12:55 PM)omahen Wrote: DeRozan is a free agent. The only realistic way for him to come to Dallas is if he would be ring hunting and accept a MLE level deal. Still, I would not be enthusiastic about the fit.

The guy I keep coming around would be Brogdon. I think he would be a perfect 6th man for this team. Decent all around guy. Could carry the second unit and play with Luka, Kyrie or both. Keep the team, bring Brogdon instead of THJ and I would be very optimistic about our chances. But, it seems he didn't want to leave Portland at TDL.

(05-01-2024, 03:13 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: I could get behind Brogdan.

(05-01-2024, 04:13 PM)F Gump Wrote: I can tell my points are being ignored, but I will say it again - we do NOT want Brogdon.

There are several significant reasons, and each of them alone would be a disqualifier.

The 1st is that he is NOT the quality of player you think he is. He's not two-way, not anymore. He doesn't (perhaps he can't, because of injuries?) play good defense anymore. Just the opposite- he's really bad. Over the last 4-5 years, he has been about the WORST defender on his team, per B-R def ratings. He is now a BAD defender. 

Whereas, the #1 first-priority criteria for a player to play alongside Luka-Kyrie is that they defend at a good-to-excellent level, to make up for the deficiencies of Luka-Kyrie. For role players, the Mavs need defenders, who they can hopefully find some offense from, rather than offense-only guys who make getting stops impossible.

The 2nd is that he is NOT someone you can rely on, because his knees are broken. Typically he plays half a season (or less). It's the KP thing, where you don't know when he will be injured each season, but you know it's gonna happen. It's very likely that he would never play a playoff game, because he can't make it to those games 83-and-beyond healthy.

The 3rd is that he gets paid way more money than you should ever pay to a one-way, no-defense, ever-injured player. He's about double the MLE. The cost in assets, just to make the trade and match salary (you have to send more than 22.5M in outgoing salary), will be far more than he's worth, and you only get a half-the-games, no-defense guy with broken knees.

Hard pass.

(05-01-2024, 04:13 PM)F Gump Wrote: I can tell my points are being ignored, but I will say it again - we do NOT want Brogdon.

There are several significant reasons, and each of them alone would be a disqualifier.

The 1st is that he is NOT the quality of player you think he is. He's not two-way, not anymore. He doesn't (perhaps he can't, because of injuries?) play good defense anymore. Just the opposite- he's really bad. Over the last 4-5 years, he has been about the WORST defender on his team, per B-R def ratings. He is now a BAD defender.