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RE: TRADE: RoCo to POR | Ariza, '20 1st, '21 1st to HOU - dirkfansince1998 - 11-17-2020 (11-17-2020, 09:14 AM)MrGoat Wrote: I see what they're doing and it does address a need but this won't put Portland over the top. For as much hype as Roco gets he wasn't able to fix the issues on Minnesota enough to get them into the playoffs or get Houston over the hump He had the best on court and on/off numbers in Minnesota. Not really sure what else he could have done in Minnesota. Just not enough talent. RoCo was the 2nd best player on the team. That´s not enough for a playoff run. Different story when he is the 3rd or 4th best player. Houston forced him to play full time center and he did a great job. Only one player in the entire league had similar stl+blk numbers (Anthony Davis). Again...not really sure what else he could have done. RE: TRADE: RoCo to POR | Ariza, '20 1st, '21 1st to HOU - HoosierDaddyKid - 11-17-2020 (11-17-2020, 09:38 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote:(11-17-2020, 09:14 AM)MrGoat Wrote: I see what they're doing and it does address a need but this won't put Portland over the top. For as much hype as Roco gets he wasn't able to fix the issues on Minnesota enough to get them into the playoffs or get Houston over the humpOver the top of what? That was more on Towns and Wiggins, not RoCo. Why do you think Jimmy Butler forced his way out? Towns and Wiggs didn't want to consistently put in the work. RE: TRADE: RoCo to POR | Ariza, '20 1st, '21 1st to HOU - fifteenth - 11-17-2020 (11-17-2020, 10:18 AM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: That was more on Towns and Wiggins, not RoCo. Why do you think Jimmy Butler forced his way out? Towns and Wiggs didn't want to put in the work. Plus, RoCo is a really good support player, the kind that makes a good team better, not the kind of player that fixes a bad team RE: TRADE: RoCo to POR | Ariza, '20 1st, '21 1st to HOU - khaled1987 - 11-17-2020 (11-17-2020, 09:07 AM)Mapka Wrote:(11-17-2020, 09:00 AM)khaled1987 Wrote:(11-17-2020, 08:52 AM)Mapka Wrote:(11-17-2020, 08:42 AM)khaled1987 Wrote:(11-17-2020, 08:33 AM)HanspardsShowerVoice Wrote: Not just fan mentality ... NBA General Manager mentality (at least the smart ones). No one was forcing Sam Presti to sell off Chris Paul. OKC went to the playoffs last year. I didn't say get better. They are giving up hope in being contender, not in being playiff team RE: TRADE: RoCo to POR | Ariza, '20 1st, '21 1st to HOU - Mapka - 11-17-2020 (11-17-2020, 10:25 AM)khaled1987 Wrote:(11-17-2020, 09:07 AM)Mapka Wrote: So you are telling me they trade RoCo, hire a Rookie-coach and intent to get better? I see you. But OKC told CP3: Please hold on this year. You know you are a All-NBA and we know it. We have to show it, to find the right trade and keep your money. We keep our winning coach and play winning basketball and then we will trade you next year. This won´t do it for Harden. But they can fight for the playoffs with Westbrook-Dinwiddie-LeVert-Anyone-Allen. RE: TRADE: RoCo to POR | Ariza, '20 1st, '21 1st to HOU - Davevoid - 11-17-2020 Sooo, the Rockets are blowing it up? That escalated quickly, as in warp speed quickness... Covington was great for them, arguably their second or third most imprtant guy. You don't trade someone like this for a mid-first rounder, if you think your championship window is still open. Maybe PJ Tucker is available, too? He'd be a perfect fit on the Mavs, or anywhere else, basically. RE: TRADE: RoCo to POR | Ariza, '20 1st, '21 1st to HOU - StepBackJay - 11-17-2020 This was a great trade for Portland. I wish the Mavs could have gotten RoCo for Wright and 18 but Portland had a better offer even if the Mavs did do that. Houston blowing it up seems overly hasty. This truly is a players league when guys who are under contract for multiple years can call the shots. Harden can seriously negotiate himself out of town? I do like Tucker if he is available. I'd rather have him for 31 than Green especially if you can send Wright in the deal. RE: TRADE: RoCo to POR | Ariza, '20 1st, '21 1st to HOU - KillerLeft - 11-17-2020 (11-17-2020, 12:10 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: Houston blowing it up seems overly hasty. Inexperienced owner, GM and head coach, all flinching simultaneously during a high-stakes game of chicken. This is absolutely insane, and I can't believe it's really happening. RE: TRADE: RoCo to POR | Ariza, '20 1st, '21 1st to HOU - Davevoid - 11-17-2020 (11-17-2020, 12:43 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Inexperienced owner, GM and head coach, all flinching simultaneously during a high-stakes game of chicken. This is absolutely insane, and I can't believe it's really happening. Me neither, and I'm loving every second of that dumpster fire! I'm really happy for their annoying fan base, Schadenfreude at it's best... RE: TRADE: RoCo to POR | Ariza, #16, '21 1st to HOU - Drew - 11-17-2020 Hey I’ll take Tucker. Yes he’s older and not on the right timeline. But he’s make them better now. Is physical and good on defense. And is lethal on that open corner 3. Probably doesn’t win them a title because hes got 2 years or so left...but makes them more I enticing. RE: TRADE: RoCo to POR | Ariza, #16, '21 1st to HOU - HanspardsShowerVoice - 11-17-2020 To me it's like Ainge trading Pierce and KG to the Nets to start the rebuild. You know the window of winning a Championship with this roster has closed. You know you're just facing a steady decline from here on out for the next few years. If you're the Wolves, Suns or Hornets and havent been to the playoffs in a decade maybe eeking out an 7 seed and a 1st round bounce is maybe exciting, but when you've seen the mountaintop it's just a bummer. The Mavs getting bounced in the 1st round in 2013 or 2014 didn't feel particularly amazing or uplifting to me. If the goal is to contend for rings, what are you waiting on? RE: TRADE: RoCo to POR | Ariza, '20 1st, '21 1st to HOU - Fuerza1 - 11-17-2020 (11-17-2020, 09:14 AM)MrGoat Wrote: I see what they're doing and it does address a need but this won't put Portland over the top. For as much hype as Roco gets he wasn't able to fix the issues on Minnesota enough to get them into the playoffs or get Houston over the hump Most overrated player in the league. Thank goodness he's on POR now, hopefully that ends the LoCo for RoCo trade proposals around here. Like I said back in Feb, give me DFS over him. RE: TRADE: RoCo to POR | Ariza, '20 1st, '21 1st to HOU - dirkfansince1998 - 11-17-2020 (11-17-2020, 06:09 PM)Fuerza1 Wrote:(11-17-2020, 09:14 AM)MrGoat Wrote: I see what they're doing and it does address a need but this won't put Portland over the top. For as much hype as Roco gets he wasn't able to fix the issues on Minnesota enough to get them into the playoffs or get Houston over the hump And just like in february you cannot make any stat or tape based argument to support your case. RE: TRADE: RoCo to POR | Ariza, '20 1st, '21 1st to HOU - HoosierDaddyKid - 11-17-2020 (11-17-2020, 06:09 PM)Fuerza1 Wrote:(11-17-2020, 09:14 AM)MrGoat Wrote: I see what they're doing and it does address a need but this won't put Portland over the top. For as much hype as Roco gets he wasn't able to fix the issues on Minnesota enough to get them into the playoffs or get Houston over the hump RoCo overrated? I don't think so. While DFS has improved his shot, RoCo is still the better defender and 3pt shooter. RE: TRADE: RoCo to POR | Ariza, #16, '21 1st to HOU - StepBackJay - 11-17-2020 DFS shot way better than RoCo last year. RoCo is a superior defender. I think DFS is a plus defender but is extremely overrated and inconsistent. On occasion he will lock somebody down and make you really get out of your chair. Most nights though he is not super noticeable on the defensive end. And I am a DFS fan, I just wish he was a better defender. |