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RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: AD signs 3 yr 186mil extension|Franky Smokes signs w/CHA - KillerLeft - 08-10-2023 (08-10-2023, 08:23 PM)The Jom Wrote: Thanks. Found it hidden under the DFS Dad heading. Paying attention isn’t my strong suit. I always forget people read those titles. I never do, myself. I just read “Mavs news”…”trade/FA”…that’s all. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Mavs Sign DJJ to 1 year deal |Franky Smokes signs w/CHA - HoosierDaddyKid - 08-12-2023 (08-10-2023, 12:21 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: About all this extension talk, which lesson have they learned? The Brunson lesson or the Powell lesson? I hope they extend him at a roughly MLE base, but, a part of me is cautious about the possibility that Green has a down year. His confidence issues has me a bit on edge (fellow countrymen Ben Simmons possibilities swirling a bit in my head). So you think Capela is the missing piece? RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Mavs Sign DJJ to 1 year deal |Franky Smokes signs w/CHA - ItsGoTime - 08-12-2023 (08-12-2023, 06:51 AM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: So you think Capela is the missing piece?I think Capela would make this team SIGNIFICANTLY better. His presence takes a huge question mark out of the equation. GWill still has a question mark, Green has question marks, Hardy, OMax, Lively, Holmes all have question marks. Even Maxi has a question mark after last season. Some of them are easier to answer than others, but it’s a lot. With Kyrie on the team and to an extent Luka, we really need to do everything we can to win now. I think, even if he is declining (I don’t really believe that), a well fitting Capela (being the biggest named C that seems to be available right now) brings us barely into the contention conversation. He allows us to develop Lively into a perfect starting replacement while keeping us in that contention window, which gives even more development for all our young guys (as well as Luka even). Part of that is helping the team reach a higher seed for the playoffs, which in turn helps us get in the later rounds. Allen would be a much better option, but, if Lively is 2 years away, Capela’s contract expiring in 2 years fits pretty perfectly. At that point, we resign Cap to a more suitable contract for a high end bench C to back Lively up. I don’t think it’s as simple as “get Capela and win championship” like my signature might suggest. I think he is a big piece to the puzzle though. The thought also isn’t necessarily giving a timeframe on said championship either. Cap COULD be that well fitting missing piece, or he COULD be a well fitting stepping stone. I think either way, just get him and go to work! RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Mavs Sign DJJ to 1 year deal |Franky Smokes signs w/CHA - mvossman - 08-12-2023 (08-12-2023, 09:04 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: I think Capela would make this team SIGNIFICANTLY better. His presence takes a huge question mark out of the equation. GWill still has a question mark, Green has question marks, Hardy, OMax, Lively, Holmes all have question marks. Even Maxi has a question mark after last season. Some of them are easier to answer than others, but it’s a lot. I feel like your first paragraph is evidence for the opposite conclusion. For a team with such a large amount of what ifs, its hard to imagine they are going to be legit title contenders, or that adding another what if (is Capela on the decline?) is going to change that significantly. Even with Kyrie's timeline, you could make a strong argument for seeing how some of these what ifs play out, and then pulling the trigger next offseason when you have 3 picks to potentially trade instead of one. Another reason to give it a year is that so many of our what ifs are young. Lively, Omax, Hardy, Green and Williams all have various potential to be better the season after next. The goal seems to be building a long term contention window, and the earliest reasonable expectation of that window to start is the 24-25 season. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Mavs Sign DJJ to 1 year deal |Franky Smokes signs w/CHA - mvossman - 08-12-2023 Great article on DJJ by Iztok: https://www.dmagazine.com/sports/2023/08/dallas-mavericks-derrick-jones-nba/ RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Mavs Sign DJJ to 1 year deal |Franky Smokes signs w/CHA - HoosierDaddyKid - 08-12-2023 https://twitter.com/dru_star/status/1690090312595623936 Does Christian Wood have an interest in playing for the Heat? RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Mavs Sign DJJ to 1 year deal |Franky Smokes signs w/CHA - KillerLeft - 08-12-2023 (08-12-2023, 11:33 AM)mvossman Wrote: Great article on DJJ by Iztok: Yep, he’s got the right of it. And, I’m optimistic about it, too. I just hope people understand that playing DJJ basically means Kleber or Williams being the biggest guys on the floor. Can’t stress this enough: he really can’t be played with Powell or Holmes. I think that’s more than fine, but I think a lot of folks around here are going to be pissed at how small Dallas plays upfront. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Mavs Sign DJJ to 1 year deal |Franky Smokes signs w/CHA - DanSchwartzgan - 08-12-2023 (08-12-2023, 11:47 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: Can’t stress this enough: he really can’t be played with Powell or Holmes. I think that’s more than fine, but I think a lot of folks around here are going to be pissed at how small Dallas plays upfront. Has anyone argued this point with you? RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Mavs Sign DJJ to 1 year deal |Franky Smokes signs w/CHA - Dundalis - 08-12-2023 (08-12-2023, 10:56 AM)mvossman Wrote: I feel like your first paragraph is evidence for the opposite conclusion. For a team with such a large amount of what ifs, its hard to imagine they are going to be legit title contenders, or that adding another what if (is Capela on the decline?) is going to change that significantly. Even with Kyrie's timeline, you could make a strong argument for seeing how some of these what ifs play out, and then pulling the trigger next offseason when you have 3 picks to potentially trade instead of one. I think Capela might be on the decline. The question is decline from what? From 15 points, 14 boards, 2 blocks he put up his first season in Atlanta? Yeah. Now he's been at 12 points, 11 boards, 1.2 blocks a game. This "declined" version of Capela is still probably easily the best center Dallas has had in many many years. I'll take the declined version of Capela every day of the week. He's the type of big that could have a very big impact for us during the regular season, but start to become marginalized in the playoffs as has happened before. But I will take that 100%. Would I give up the same type of assets I might for someone like Allen, no. But he would have a pretty big impact for a team that will possibly be one of the lightest/smallest teams in the league when it comes to paint presence. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Mavs Sign DJJ to 1 year deal |Franky Smokes signs w/CHA - KillerLeft - 08-12-2023 (08-12-2023, 12:03 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Has anyone argued this point with you? Nope, but I’ve been in this community long enough to know when proactive reasoning is needed. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Mavs Sign DJJ to 1 year deal |Franky Smokes signs w/CHA - KillerLeft - 08-12-2023 (08-12-2023, 12:29 PM)Dundalis Wrote: I think Capela might be on the decline. The question is decline from what? From 15 points, 14 boards, 2 blocks he put up his first season in Atlanta? Yeah. Now he's been at 12 points, 11 boards, 1.2 blocks a game. This "declined" version of Capela is still probably easily the best center Dallas has had in many many years. I'll take the declined version of Capela every day of the week. Mentioned this the other day, but to me, Jones Jr IS the final big. He’s not a center, but he is another piece of the 4/5 puzzle, and likely signals that Kleber is going to play mostly 5 (as I think he should). It also means we’ll see some DJJ/Willams 4/5 time, and maybe a lot of that if it’s successful. In other words, I think the DJJ signing happened because the Capela thing is over. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Mavs Sign DJJ to 1 year deal |Franky Smokes signs w/CHA - mvossman - 08-12-2023 (08-12-2023, 11:47 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: Yep, he’s got the right of it. I think this is a little overstated. He probably will be most effective as part of a small ball front court, but I think you can get away with some minutes of him playing a traditional wing. He will be a hit to spacing in the half court, but I think it can be somewhat mitigated by camping him out in the left corner, where he shot over 40% each of the last three years. I mean, we played Frank over 10 minutes a game with his sub 50% true shooting because of his defense. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Mavs Sign DJJ to 1 year deal |Franky Smokes signs w/CHA - KillerLeft - 08-12-2023 (08-12-2023, 01:30 PM)mvossman Wrote: I think this is a little overstated. He probably will be most effective as part of a small ball front court, but I think you can get away with some minutes of him playing a traditional wing. He will be a hit to spacing in the half court, but I think it can be somewhat mitigated by camping him out in the left corner, where he shot over 40% each of the last three years. I mean, we played Frank over 10 minutes a game with his sub 50% true shooting because of his defense. This kind of seems like “arguing the point with me” for the record. Tongue in cheek there, mvoss, I know you get it (though I don’t know that a failed margin signing of a player who was mostly dnp’d and finally unceremoniously allowed to walk with no surprise or outcry from anyone is a great example to point to in this situation). The reality is that guys who can defend but have no utility on offense just don’t help you win. They don’t have to be great offensive players, but they have to have SOME utility. DJJ as a screener/roller has utility. Good utility, in fact. Ntilikina had none, really (just like Thybulle would’ve) but if the Mavs get caught up trying to have DJJ stand in the corner, we’ll probably miss Ntilikina. Sorry, I just don’t see that as a viable strategy at all. I wish I had the words to state it MORE emphatically, not temper it. I keep accidentally closing threads when posting from phone, sorry. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Mavs Sign DJJ to 1 year deal |Franky Smokes signs w/CHA - The Jom - 08-12-2023 (08-12-2023, 11:33 AM)mvossman Wrote: Great article on DJJ by Iztok: Enjoyed it. Thanks. I think Maxi just became a starter, and I think the Mavs are gonna play a lot of switch everything. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Mavs Sign DJJ to 1 year deal |Franky Smokes signs w/CHA - Jym - 08-12-2023 (08-12-2023, 01:45 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: This kind of seems like “arguing the point with me” for the record. I feel like the Blazers saved us from ourselves. We don't need a non-scorer taking that many minutes away from Green ( and yes we need him to step up and become more of a scorer himself) RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Mavs Sign DJJ to 1 year deal |Franky Smokes signs w/CHA - KillerLeft - 08-12-2023 (08-12-2023, 04:06 PM)The Jom Wrote: I think Maxi just became a starter That’s one way to go we haven’t talked to death. Pretty interesting to think about. I wonder whether his health issues have really been about wear and tear (kind of seems that way) or if he has just had a run of bad luck. Either way, I think it’s SUPER clear they’re depending on him to FINISH games. In the past, the Kleber minutes didn’t really feature another screening option (other than that 2nd to last Carlisle year when he played with Powell a lot). I suppose part of the reason for not starting him might not have had anything to do with load management at all, but rather a desire to establish the pick and roll game early and see how it’s being defended. If that’s the case, then the sudden appearance of not one, but TWO guys who can be the screener from the 4 spot (Williams and DJJ) might just make Kleber at center an even more viable option than he already was. (08-12-2023, 04:33 PM)Jym Wrote: I feel like the Blazers saved us from ourselves. We don't need a non-scorer taking that many minutes away from Green ( and yes we need him to step up and become more of a scorer himself) Ditto. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Mavs Sign DJJ to 1 year deal |Franky Smokes signs w/CHA - ItsGoTime - 08-13-2023 (08-12-2023, 10:56 AM)mvossman Wrote: I feel like your first paragraph is evidence for the opposite conclusion. For a team with such a large amount of what ifs, its hard to imagine they are going to be legit title contenders, or that adding another what if (is Capela on the decline?) is going to change that significantly. Even with Kyrie's timeline, you could make a strong argument for seeing how some of these what ifs play out, and then pulling the trigger next offseason when you have 3 picks to potentially trade instead of one.I think the decline question is right up there with will Luka come to camp in shape? line of thinking. Even if Luka comes in out of shape, he’s still going to be great. Even if we get a declined Capela, he’ll still be the absolute best option at starting C for this team and it’s not particularly close. So no, I don’t think there is much evidence for the opposite conclusion. Giving it a year could stunt our young addition’s playoff growth, which is what Luka and Kyrie (and the rest of the team for that matter) care about. Don’t punt on the play that very well could get us into field goal range to win the game when your team has been on a roll. Edit: Please explain to me how you came to the conclusion that we will have only 1 pick to trade next year? If we trade 27, next year we will have 2 picks, not 1 (with Capela, what do we NEED that 3 picks will get us that 2 picks won’t?). Getting Capela starts the contention window now and doesn’t interrupt that long term window, it’s all upside. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Mavs Sign DJJ to 1 year deal |Franky Smokes signs w/CHA - Dundalis - 08-13-2023 (08-12-2023, 12:57 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Mentioned this the other day, but to me, Jones Jr IS the final big. He’s not a center, but he is another piece of the 4/5 puzzle, and likely signals that Kleber is going to play mostly 5 (as I think he should). It also means we’ll see some DJJ/Willams 4/5 time, and maybe a lot of that if it’s successful. Maybe, but when our midgets start getting overwhelmed in the paint on a regular basis the need for a big will come into the equation, whether that's now or at the TDL. Doesn't have to be Capela but someone who is actually physically a 5. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Mavs Sign DJJ to 1 year deal |Franky Smokes signs w/CHA - KillerLeft - 08-13-2023 The more I think about this, the more I like @Jom’s point that the DJJ signing puts Kleber in play as a starter. I don’t know if they WILL do that, but having Kleber, Williams, DJJ and O-Max available enables the Mavs to play ENTIRE GAMES without Powell or Holmes (if they think they need to). OR, they could also get 48 minutes out of Powell/Holmes in some games, with one of them on the court at all times. There might be some games where that makes sense, too. On one hand, I don’t think DJJ will have the impact Capela would have, but on the other hand he makes the roster truly versatile. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Mavs Sign DJJ to 1 year deal |Franky Smokes signs w/CHA - KillerLeft - 08-13-2023 Follow up thought: What if Lively’s corner shooting comes along faster than his screen/roll game? What if he gets to a place around Christmas where they trust him to stand in the corner and let shots fly? Do Williams and DJJ, with their screen/roll ability from the 4, give the Mavs a way to get Lively and his rim protection on the court a little faster? |