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RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Isaiah Stewart gets 4/64 from DET| ATL wants Siakam? - MarkAguirreWrathofGod - 07-11-2023 Btw, the guy I really like on SA is Barlow. He popped whenever we played them last season and has been good in summer league too. Not sure how that guy went undrafted. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Isaiah Stewart gets 4/64 from DET| ATL wants Siakam? - F Gump - 07-11-2023 Here are the expected numbers I have so far for Mavs -- LUKA $40,064,220 KYRIE $37,037,037 THJ $17,897,728 HOLMES $12,046,200 KLEBER $11,000,000 MCGEE $5,734,280 GREEN $4,765,339 HARDY $1,719,864 LIVELY $4,775,640 PROSPER $2,733,720 POWELL $4,000,000 WILLIAMS $12,558,140 CURRY $4,516,000 EXUM $2,019,706 TOTAL $160,867,874 Salary Cap $136,021,000 Under cap ($24,846,874) Tax Line $165,294,000 Under tax $4,426,126 Apron 1 Line $172,346,000 Under Apron $11,478,126 RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Isaiah Stewart gets 4/64 from DET| ATL wants Siakam? - Ghost of Podkolzin - 07-11-2023 (07-11-2023, 11:21 AM)MarkAguirreWrathofGod Wrote: Ghost— I would love Eason, just doubt that Houston wants to move him. Are shot would’ve been if they just had to move up for a guy at 10 in this draft. Zach Collins is probably much more gettable, though he is an always injured guy. Who knows though? I have a feeling SA will try to field a playoff contender this season and they may see him being a positive in that light. They can always deal him at the deadline if he has a nice first half of the season if their season goes south. Eason is buried behind D.Brooks, K.PorterJr, J.SmithJr, Tate, and now A.Thompson. They're aflush with SF/PF, but really G poor. FVV and J.Green are pretty much it. I would go to them with THJ and the 27FRP for Eason (and matching salary). Good points on Z.Collins. It llooks like he kicked the injury bug last year with 63 games. It'll be interesting in how SAS work out Z.Collins, Wemby, and Sochan with only 2 starting spots at PF/C. Z.Collins makes the most sense at C, but are you going to sit Sochan with Wemby starting? I'd be more prone to start Wemby and Sochan, making Z.Collins expendable. But, as you stated, they may not get to that conclusion until the TDL. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Isaiah Stewart gets 4/64 from DET| ATL wants Siakam? - DanSchwartzgan - 07-11-2023 (07-11-2023, 11:21 AM)F Gump Wrote: Kyrie is 37,037,037. Hmmm. I had assumed about $150k less than that. People were carrying him at $3.888mm and McMahon said his bonuses were 2 X $1mm per year. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Isaiah Stewart gets 4/64 from DET| ATL wants Siakam? - F Gump - 07-11-2023 (07-11-2023, 11:39 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Hmmm. I had assumed about $150k less than that. People were carrying him at $3.888mm and McMahon said his bonuses were 2 X $1mm per year. All of that is correct, other than your math-ing. Yes he has 2 bonuses, each at 1M per year, $6M tot. 126 factored over 3 years with 8% raises is 38.88888888888 120 factored over 3 years with 8% raises is 37.037037037 RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: ATL wants Siakam?| PHI matches Reed deal - SleepingHero - 07-11-2023 (07-11-2023, 06:55 AM)omahen Wrote: Where the hole in your thinking in my opinion is, is in the wording "we are taking Capela". But really we are not. We are just replacing his salary with (at best) equal value salary of THJ and even throwing in McGee. You even want young player in addition. This doesn't add any value to Atlanta and Toronto trying to execute the Siakam trade, as Toronto has as much of use of THJ as they do of Capela. They have GTj on their roster, who is basically a much younger THJ. I guess Toronto would be willing to take Capela (or THJ), but with assets added to do that. Or Capela is dumped to salary cap space team with asset from Atlanta to reduce salary going to Toronto. What Atlanta would be looking for from Dallas would be the assets (draft assets, young player) going to Toronto for them to take back long term THJ salary they don't need. Alternative could be if Dallas finds a way to only ship McGee to Toronto, greatly reducing the salary they get. But this requires more pieces being sent to another team. They can't aggregate Mills in a trade till mid September. But even if they could, Mills value is probably close to McGee's but is expiring. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: ATL wants Siakam?| PHI matches Reed deal - omahen - 07-11-2023 (07-11-2023, 11:52 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: They can't aggregate Mills in a trade till mid September. But even if they could, Mills value is probably close to McGee's but is expiring. They can't expand the deal with OKC? I was only speaking about matching contracts, obviously. Never said Mills has any value in that trade... RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: ATL wants Siakam?| PHI matches Reed deal - SleepingHero - 07-11-2023 (07-11-2023, 11:59 AM)omahen Wrote: They can't expand the deal with OKC? Oh, I suppose that deal hasn't been finalized so they could. Things get complicated in terms of money matching when 3/4/5 team expanded trades come about. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: ATL wants Siakam?| PHI matches Reed deal - omahen - 07-11-2023 (07-11-2023, 12:06 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: Oh, I suppose that deal hasn't been finalized so they could. I really don't know the rules regarding Mills specific situation. He was already officially traded to OKC. That deal has been completed. I think the Atlanta-OKC deal is still open. So, I am not sure if he can be agregated in a three team deal with other players. Although, he would be the only player coming from OKC, which is why I guess the answer is yes. Toronto could also use a back up PG and he is expiring, so it makes a bit of sense from that perpsective. Not that they would see great value in him, but he wouldn't be just dead weight. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Isaiah Stewart gets 4/64 from DET| ATL wants Siakam? - SleepingHero - 07-11-2023 I do wonder why we need to add McGee to the deal. It's not necessary... ATL: Siakam+OPJ TOR: Hunter+Bey+THJ+FRP from ATL+2 2nds from DAL DAL: Capela This works. Every team stays under the tax, and honestly this all makes a lot more sense. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Isaiah Stewart gets 4/64 from DET| ATL wants Siakam? - Ghost of Podkolzin - 07-11-2023 (07-11-2023, 12:15 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: I do wonder why we need to add McGee to the deal. It's not necessary... IMO, THJ + 2 SRPs is too steep for Capella. I'd *much rather Precious. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Isaiah Stewart gets 4/64 from DET| ATL wants Siakam? - Mavs2021 - 07-11-2023 (07-11-2023, 12:15 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: I do wonder why we need to add McGee to the deal. It's not necessary... Maybe if you find a way to utilize San Antonio to take GTJ. I doubt Toronto has any interest in THJ, especially with GTJ still there. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Isaiah Stewart gets 4/64 from DET| ATL wants Siakam? - Ghost of Podkolzin - 07-11-2023 (07-11-2023, 12:23 PM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: IMO, THJ + 2 SRPs is too steep for Capella. I'd *much rather Precious. Something like... ATL: Siakam TOR: Bey+THJ+FRP from ATL+2 2nds from DAL DAL: Precious, Mills, Griffin RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Isaiah Stewart gets 4/64 from DET| ATL wants Siakam? - DallasMaverick - 07-11-2023 (07-11-2023, 12:15 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: I do wonder why we need to add McGee to the deal. It's not necessary... Dallas ends up with too many centers. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Isaiah Stewart gets 4/64 from DET| ATL wants Siakam? - Smitty - 07-11-2023 (07-11-2023, 12:15 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: I do wonder why we need to add McGee to the deal. It's not necessary... I suggested this earlier but then realized it meant Dallas now has 6 centers and no backup SF and ATL has no real backup Center. It actually makes more sense to send McGee to Atlanta and OPJ to Dallas, for both team imo. ATL: Siakam+McGee (-1.6M Cap) TOR: Hunter+Bey+THJ+'24 FRP from ATL+'27 FRP swap from DAL (-1.6M Cap) DAL: Capela+OPJ (+3.2M Cap) *All teams stay under the tax line RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Isaiah Stewart gets 4/64 from DET| ATL wants Siakam? - HoosierDaddyKid - 07-11-2023 (07-11-2023, 11:38 AM)Ghost of Podkolzin Wrote: Eason is buried behind D.Brooks, K.PorterJr, J.SmithJr, Tate, and now A.Thompson. They're aflush with SF/PF, but really G poor. FVV and J.Green are pretty much it. I would go to them with THJ and the 27FRP for Eason (and matching salary). Eason isn't buried behind any of those guys. I can see a scenario of Eason playing next to Smith Jr. He's a swiss army knife on both ends of the floor. He's getting his minutes. They know what they have in Eason, they'll laugh you off the phone with that offer. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: ATL wants Siakam?| PHI matches Reed deal - DanSchwartzgan - 07-11-2023 (07-10-2023, 10:43 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: I read through a couple threads on other message boards tonight that I trust a little. That three-way between ATL, TOR and DAL is out there, coming from every which way. Minnesota people, Indiana people…everyone has a very similar version of that rumor. I wasn’t able to think this through yesterday. I think what you did makes sense because it isn’t just a myopic Dallas based exercise. I tend to agree with FG that it makes sense for Atlanta to want Siakam and for then to look to Dallas as a way of moving salary. I suspect Siakam has other suitors, so it is up to the Hawks to fulfill the Raptor’s asking price while also hitting the mark on outgoing salary. I think Capela is better than Hardaway. So, some level of compensation is needed to make up the gap. If you’ve paid any attention to Nico, I predict that compensation won’t be an unprotected first. I struggle to see the benefit of THJ in Toronto, but it is better than trying to send Capela there. It is hard to tell from a distance how committed they are to Trent Jr. To, me, I can make sense of the THJ and 2 seconds part of this. We are basically just facilitating the Capela part of this and this is the simplest form of that. I could see Atlanta actually wanting McGee as a backup to Okongwu as I envision them starting Siakam and Okongwu together. It is an easy enough thing to add. If I’m Toronto, I’m not enthusiastic about taking Bey. He’s nothing special and will be looking for money in a year. I’d probably rather have Griffin Jr. I’d also force Atlanta to take OPJ to get well under the tax. From there is is just figuring out the picks and swaps from Atlanta. My view is Atlanta gets Siakam, OPJ (to avoid tax) with McGee optional Dallas gets Capela Toronto gets Hunter, AJ, THJ, the 2nds from Dallas and whatever picks they get from Atlanta Obviously Dallas doesn’t have picks to give up here yet and won’t until the deal with Boston is done. I don’t see how adding this to the BOS/SA deal helps other than the 2nds. So, it may not be that Dallas isn’t the one holding the Boston deal up. But, the Boston deal not being complete could be holding up the Capela/Siakam deal. (07-11-2023, 12:23 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: Maybe if you find a way to utilize San Antonio to take GTJ. I doubt Toronto has any interest in THJ, especially with GTJ still there. Good thought. Maybe SA. Maybe some other team where Rich Paul pulls the strings and wants to get GTJ paid (since it didn’t happen this summer as Paul was hoping). RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Isaiah Stewart gets 4/64 from DET| ATL wants Siakam? - KillerLeft - 07-11-2023 (07-11-2023, 12:15 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: I do wonder why we need to add McGee to the deal. It's not necessary... My understanding is that ATL actually has mild interest in McGee as a backup center. I have trouble believing that, but it’s out there. From the Mavs’ perspective it’s easy to realize why’d they’d want him in the deal. RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Isaiah Stewart gets 4/64 from DET| ATL wants Siakam? - SkenfromLMF - 07-11-2023 Toronto is not interested in taking back any more salary than necessary would be my guess-timation as to NOT wanting to take on THJ/Capela AS it stands Toronto is ~ $3.3 million under the TAX; Atlanta is ~ $8.2 million under and Dallas sits at $4.659 under the tax. So Atlanta will have to absorb THJ to make this version work. Between THJ and Siakim that amounts to $55.8 million requiring ATL to send out $47.65 mil. Hunter to Toronto is $20.09 and Capela to Dallas is $20.6 million respectively. Dallas trades McGee to Toronto (this will cost) and THJ to Atlanta for a shade over $23.6 mil outgoing salary. This leaves Dallas the ability to take back around $28.3 million and stay under the TAX. $20 mil of that is Capela. Toronto trades Siakim at $37.9 million and takes back Hunter ($20.1) and McGee ($5.7); as compensation Toronto receives: Sacramento's 1st in '24, '25, or '26 OR the Kings' 2nd rd picks in '26 and '27 (whenever that pick conveys); Dallas' lottery protected '27 1st OR the rights to a Draft pick swap in '28 (top 6 exempt); Atlanta's '29 1st rd pick unprotected. Atlanta is still about $6.9 million short of outgoing salary from being under the TAX on the trade and Dallas is able to accommodate that salary without breaking into the TAX on their end: That is most easily met by sending Saddiq Bey and Bruno Fernando ($4.557 and $2.582 mil resp) to Dallas. Toronto might request Bey, and that should probably lead to significantly increased protection on the Dallas pick/pick swap... RE: Trade & FA 2023-24: Isaiah Stewart gets 4/64 from DET| ATL wants Siakam? - Ghost of Podkolzin - 07-11-2023 (07-11-2023, 12:51 PM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: Eason isn't buried behind any of those guys. I can see a scenario of Eason playing next to Smith Jr. He's a swiss army knife on both ends of the floor. He's getting his minutes. They know what they have in Eason, they'll laugh you off the phone with that offer. https://youtu.be/zMRrNY0pxfM |